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Toshigami

The article Toshigami is currently a mess, making massive claims with few sources. But it may be savable with content from Japanese wikipedia or independently gained sources. If it can properly be sourced it is likely a valuable article so can we try to have more input on it? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 21:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Seems like this issue has been already addressed by a different Wikipedian and has already wiped 5000 bytes to make the article more clean. (AlphaBetaGammsh (talk) 06:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC))

James Edward Ketelaar

Hello everyone! I hope you are all well.

I have completed a draft on professor emeritus James Edward Ketelaar here (Draft:James Edward Ketelaar) and would love to get your feedback. First article I've made on Wikipedia, so I welcome any and all changes, feedback, or help.

Thank you very much and looking forward to working with you.

Coroz Coroz12 (talk) 15:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

First glance, it's a resume not an encyclopaedia article. The list of presentations and non-notable awards is just promotional rather than encyclopaedic. Only independently notable awards, i.e. ones that have articles, should be included and the presentations should be entirely excised as a pure promotional list. Canterbury Tail talk 15:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Great — thank you. I originally thought the presentations would be insightful for those interested in the types of work he would do, but I have now removed the piece.

I have also removed the awards, and added a citation on the awards his book received.

How does it look?

Thanks @Canterbury Tail Coroz12 (talk) 19:58, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I made a couple of stylistic tweaks to bring it into line with the WP:MOS. His dissertation seems over referenced, whereas his articles list has no references. Canterbury Tail talk 20:10, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for your support thus far. I did have a feeling that it was over referenced, but wasn't sure how much evidence needs to be presented for a claim such as "acclaimed work."

Will add those citations for the articles shortly. Coroz12 (talk) 20:35, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

pruned article section and added citations to articles & books. Thank you once again, and looking forward to hearing back about any next steps Coroz12 (talk) 21:09, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Obama (surname) and relation to samurai

Hello there, I decided to ask this question here because I figure this project has the people who know most about the subject. I found a source (https://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2014-11-24/maphead-ken-jennings-obama-japan-barack-obama) that mentions that Obama was "once the surname of a great samurai clan". However, I can find no information on this so-called clan anywhere else. I think that the author may have been confused with the name of the Obama Domain. Is that a fair assumption? Does anyone have any evidence pointing to the existence of an Obama clan? If so I would love to see it so that the information could be added to the page. As of right now I am skeptical of the article's claim about the existence of an Obama clan. Di (they-them) (talk) 07:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

There was an Ohama family (written using the same characters) who were hatamoto during the Edo period. I don't think any of them have articles on the English Wikipedia, but you can see the category on the Japanese Wikipedia for them here. Still, I suppose that you are right about the linked article, since it focuses primarily on the location. Dekimasuよ! 09:24, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dekimasu: Thank you for the information, I really appreciate it. However, none of the articles in that category on Japanese Wikipedia have citations. Do you think you could help find a source so that I can cite it? Thanks. Di (they-them) (talk) 14:41, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Isn't that more likely to refer to the lords of Obama (han/"domain")? -han has often been misleadingly translated to English as "clan". The actual name of the family/"clan" that ruled Obama for much of the Edo period was Sakai. But then, there is often some linguistic interchangeability between noble families and the places they ruled, especially for families who have been in power for a long time, as for example in House of Austria, House of France, Yamato Dynasty, ... --Asakura Akira (talk) 19:18, 9 June 2023 (UTC) P.S.: Especially in this case since there were several branches of Sakai contemporaneously ruling over different han, so one has to use something like House/"clan" Obama-Sakai (小浜酒井家) anyway to be specific. --Asakura Akira (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Chung Chun Rice Dog

The Chung Chun Rice Dog article says the restaurant chain has operated in Japan, but I'm struggling to find details. I'm hoping someone here might be familiar with the restaurant or willing to help with a little research project, perhaps by searching for Japanese-language sources. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

A search on チュンチュンライスドッグ (the obvious katakana version of the name) and on 韓国風ホットドッグ (Korean style hot dog) produces no obvious hits. I think that if the cited reference does not actually include "Japan" you can just delete it. Imaginatorium (talk) 05:11, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

The Daily Hive says "Chunchun Rice Dogs has more than 200 branches in Korea, Australia, China, Japan, and many other countries." Thanks for checking. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:15, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I also searched for this with other variations such as 韓国版ホットドッグ. There seems to been a marketing campaign (in Japanese) aimed at Canadian expats, which claims that it was a trend in Japan, although there's no evidence they operated there.

I also checked the Japanese company register and didn't find anything, although they may operate under a different name than "Chungchun".

This food looks very similar to any other "American dog" I've seen, and sounds like exaggerated marketing at best. Roygbiv0 (talk) 10:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Template(s) for introducing Japanese terms

I was looking at Tokusatsu, which uses the inappropriate 'ruby' template to provide furigana (its proper name, btw). So I would change it to use the most appropriate template. This might be nihongo (or one of the confusing numbered nihongos), but it might also be just the lang template. I have seen arguments suggesting that this would be a better way. Is there a policy, or a guideline to look at? I tried the Project's home page, but could not find anything other than a list of templates (excluding some which should probably be there, like lang, and perhaps curiosities like the eigo template, which I think should be deleted). So suggestions please on how to change the ruby thing. Imaginatorium (talk) 07:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Template:eigo

I just encountered this bizarrely-named template being added to Japanese adjectives‎. It appears to be a variant of the "Nihongo" template; is it really a good idea for a template to have a name as misleading as this? Opinions please... Imaginatorium (talk) 18:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium: It doesn't seem to be doing anything that couldn't be done with the Nihongo template. I'd suggest replacing the usage. I also agree about the misleading template name. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

The template does seem to display things slightly differently that the "Nihongo" templates; for example, if you follow {{nihongo}}'s and {{eigo}}'s documentation verbatim you get

• dog (犬, inu) ({{nihongo|dog|犬|inu}}), and
• 犬 (inu, dog) ({{eigo|犬|inu|dog}}).

However, the two do seem interchangeable if you play with the positioning of the parameters; for example,

• dog (犬, inu) ({{eigo|dog|犬|inu}}), and
• 犬 (inu, dog) ({{nihongo|犬|inu|dog}}).

So, there does seem to be some overlapping of functionality. The "eigo" template was created back in 2008. Since it came a few years after the "nihongo" template, someone probably thought there's was a need for it; the creator, however, is no longer editing and can't be asked why. It appears to only being transcluded 34 times while the "nihongo" template is transcluded more than 100,000. The "nihongo" template also is in Lua, but the "eigo" template isn't. Maybe the thing to do would be to start a discussion about this at WP:TFD. I don't know too much about template code, and TFD might help clarify things one way or another. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC) -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. It seems to me this should be deleted, as clutter. But which comes first? Replacing all the "eigo" templates with "nihongo" (or "lang" or whatever, see below)? Or just starting a discussion to delete, followed by cleaning up? Imaginatorium (talk) 07:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)