Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Balkan military history task force/Archive 1

Task force icon

For the time being, I've used as an icon for this task force in {{WPMILHIST}}. Obviously, it's not the best image (not even the best map, probably), so any suggestion of better (but hopefully uncontroversial) ones would be welcome! Kirill Lokshin 03:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

How to organize the task force

I have some suggestions on how to organize this task force. I think we should organize this task force in chronological or regional section. For chronological sections I have been thinking that we should divide into three sections:

Byzantine:500 AD to 1453 AD Ottoman:1453 AD to 1913 AD Post Balkan War:1913 AD to present

Or for regional divisions

Greece

Eastern Balkans includes Bulgaria, FYROM and Romania and the Balkan area of Turkey

Western Balkans: Serbia, Montenegro, Slovenia, Croatia, Albania and Bosnia and Herzegovina

Any comments? Kyriakos 08:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Considering the fact that regional couldn't really be applied (many/most of the wars/campaigns/scenarios played out on a broader scale), I suggest sticking to the chronological. --PaxEquilibrium 11:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Chronological: It makes more sense if we limit it to World War I (1918), rather than the Balkan war - after it there were no significant changes... --PaxEquilibrium 11:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Kyriakos, now that you made that suggestions, I actually have a question. Is this task force supposed to cover all military events that occurred in the Balkan Peninsula or is it just supposed to cover military events where Balkan peoples (Slavs, Greeks, Albanians) were the main protagonists? Do we even know? We should probably decide this first. The answer to that question could change around the dates significantly.UberCryxic 15:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Both. (I thought this particular horse had been beaten to death; c.f. "This task force includes the military histories of all Balkan groups and states, as well as military activity in the Balkans by non-Balkan powers" ;-) Kirill Lokshin 16:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear god who the frick decided that? We have a lot on our hands then.UberCryxic 16:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It's pretty much the standard formulation for task forces dealing with areas that have interesting histories (e.g. Africa, Italy, etc.). And yes, that does mean this task force covers a lot of material—but that's not necessarily a bad thing, is it? :-) Kirill Lokshin 16:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Gives us a wider net to catch in participants liek myself that has little knowledge on the blakans groups but a large knowledge on exterior power involved inteh Balkans like the Byzantine and the Ottomans, not to mention Frankish/French intentions.--Dryzen 19:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm How does the organisation work exactly? What I mean by this is how does saying we organise a certain way effect the editing of articles and problem solving relating to the articles that fall under this Task Force's perview?--Dryzen 19:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

The one bad thing I see is that there will be a lot of overlap. Although, I do agree that we need a general and comprehensive standard for task forces. It would suck if for some task forces we only studied peoples but for others we did peoples and what happened in the territory in question. The latter seems better, all things considered. I was complaining about the fact that, for this particular task force, that will mean a shitload of material, pardon the expression. If we're being true to ourselves, Balkan military history would go back thousands of years before Jesus. That will be difficult to cover, even for Jesus.UberCryxic 19:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

That's pretty much the way the "national" task forces have been run; most of them have it a bit easier, though, because the nation in question has been an independent entity—or at least a politically distinct one—for a longer/more continuous block time than the Balkan states have. (There are some task forces where this question becomes a more problematic one, but those are the exception rather than the rule.)

(Plus, Balkan military history before c. 500 isn't covered here anyways; that's been left to the Classical warfare task force [as has the same period in the Italian task force].) Kirill Lokshin 19:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh that's right. I missed that last part. Good to know; now I feel better.UberCryxic 19:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Never been big on the "National" TFs as they do bring this problem into the lime light, but until now fears have not been materialized and things are going good. I'm still perplexed as to the proposed sub-organisation tough...--Dryzen

I think the intent of the indicated structure was pretty informal, just an idea of how the topic are might "naturally" split into periods to cover. Broadly speaking, I think a pre-Ottoman/Ottoman/post-Ottoman view is pretty standard, as there are major cultural, political, and military changes that occur with the rise and fall of the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans. Kirill Lokshin 21:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm still unsure what to do with it, but as to a logical sub-division, basing ourselves on the Ottoman Hegemony does seem appropriate.--Dryzen 18:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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Ho, ho... this talk page is extending far too much. Let's stick to the main issue. Categorization. How to do it? --PaxEquilibrium 22:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Requested articles

Requested articles

• Military history of Bulgaria, from 681 AD to WWII

Wandalstouring 11:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Already listed on the open task template. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 13:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Wesley Clark

Hi guys! I realize it's very recent Balkan history, but I thought some of you might want to stop by the Wesley Clark article I've rewritten (along with major editing help from others) which is currently undergoing an FAC and could use your vote! Thanks. Staxringold _talk^contribs 17:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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RfC Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand

Could editors please take a look at this article and comment on its talk page? It is mostly the work of one editor and I have concerns about neutrality. It is also looking increasingly unencyclopedic and probably contains excessive detail (such as on the 1903 coup). Your opinion may differ, of course. --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 11:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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Nazi rule over the Danube River

You are invited to add military topics to the above article, which right now focuses only on political events. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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Task force reorganisation

Following the project's recent discussions, I've now merged the Romanian military history task force into this, the Balkan military history task force. Redirects have been left in place where possible, but members may need to update their watchlist accordingly. There is also a new userbox available which makes use of a generic Balkans map-type image (linked from the templates section of the project page); suggestions for a more suitable image are very welcome! All the best, EyeSerene^talk 12:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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You do realize that the Romanian TF has been merged into the Balkan TF. That won't effect the old code, but it will for the new code.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Battles/Wars involving...

Battles/Wars involving Montenegro category should be added. There are battles Montenegro fought that are unrightfully credited to Serbia(although Serbia didn't have anything to do with them), such as battle at Bar and battle at Vuciji Do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.155.40.73 (talk) 00:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

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