Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Italian military history task force/Archive 1

Focus

Is our focus here on fighting by Italians? I will admit that I am more familiar with fighting in Italy than specifically Italian military feats. Or is it both? I suppose most fighting in Italy involved Italians at least to some extent (the Duke of Savoy, at least, was usually involved). But in most early modern conflicts the role of other powers (France, Spain, Austria) is of most importance. john k 12:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think we can include both fighting by Italians (including fighting by them outside of Italy) and fighting in Italy (including fighting by non-Italians) under "Italian military history". We're claiming applicability rather than exclusive coverage, after all. Kirill Lokshin 12:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds fair enough. john k 13:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Siege of Naples (1494)?

This is currently a requested article. I was not aware that there was a siege of Naples in 1494. I thought that King Alfonso simply fled, and Charles VIII took the city without a fight. john k 17:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, there are two related issues here:

• The date of the siege—if one occurred—would obviously have been 1495.
• I've seen references to Charles using cannon to bombard Naples (or perhaps just the Castel Nuovo?) when he arrived there, which suggests that there was some action; whether this can be termed a "siege", or if some other term is more appropriate, is a valid question.

Kirill Lokshin 18:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

That would, I think, be a bombardment of Naples, I should think. john k 18:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Duly changed. Thanks for catching that! Kirill Lokshin 18:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Military history of Italy

Well, I've written most of a section of this already, and plan to write the part for Italy in World War II, maybe that of the Risorgimento, but I would definitely prefer that someone else tackled the Ancient Rome and Medieval sections. Someone also put a request on the talk page for a paragraph or so on the Libyan reconquest in the 20's, which I know nothing about. I would consider this to be this project's first major collaboration, so please anyone help if you have time. -KingPenguin 11:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I've added a halfway-coherent section on the Italian Wars; I'll see if I can whip something up for the medieval things later. I suspect this will all need massive copyediting to make it actually flow as a narrative once the sections get fleshed out, though. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 12:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Italian Wars

Anyone know what's up with the article entitled "Italian Wars" ? When I put it in as a link in the article Pierre Nogaret de La Valette it was blue, and the popup tool shows the first para of the article when I hover over the link. However, when I click the link, I get the "this article does not exist please search for it or create it" default thing for a nonexistent article. Same with the link to "Main article" at Military_history_of_Italy#Italian_Wars. What's up?? --Bookgrrl 15:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, seems to work for me. Maybe try clearing your browser cache? Kirill Lokshin 16:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

It seems something is indeed wrong with it. I checked, had the same problem, cleared the cache, no luck, but looking into the history of the page, any old (or even when clicking the history link to the most recent edit) pages do indeed show up, however clicking on the article tab brings me to that unfound page again, despite the discussion and history database that can be accessed through the unfound page. -KingPenguin 17:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, now with Kirill's recent edit the problem appears to be fixed, I'm actually getting the article through links now. -KingPenguin 00:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

That's quite strange; it's been showing up for me all day. Might be some issue with the server-side caching, but I really have no idea what's causing it. Kirill Lokshin 00:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

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Battle of Parabiago

Hey! Just added battle of Parabiago, maybe it'd deserve a glance for copyedit, cleanup, etc. Also, I wrote a host of entries about 14th-15th centuries condottieri; maybe you're interested (you could surf them from category:House of Malatesta, category:Ordelaffi, category:Scaliger etc.) Bye. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attilios (talk • contribs)

Requested articles

The requested articles departement gets reorganized. The requests get moved to the specific taskforce. In case of error move it to a concerning task force.

• Baionetta (Italian Corvette)

Wandalstouring 10:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Added to task template. Kirill Lokshin 13:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Translating Italian words in article titles

Quick question: I want to move Italian 4 Alpini Division Cuneense to conform to the new naming guidelines - is "Alpini" best left untranslated? Or should I use "Mountain" instead? Essentially, should this be moved to 4th Mountain Division Cuneense or 4th Alpini Division Cuneense? There's probably no need for a country disambiguator, either way. Carom 06:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure on this, but I vaguely recall that I've seen it translated as "Alpine Division"; I'll see if I can find a published source for it. Kirill Lokshin 06:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! (and really, you spend to much time doing this... ; )) Carom 06:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

If I may weigh in: "Alpini" is a name like "Coldstream Guards" and should never be translated. The correct name in English of the Cuneense would be "4 Alpini Division Cuneense". I have handled this so with the other Alpini unit articles I started i.e. Alpini Brigade Cadore, Alpini Brigade Julia and 5 Alpini Division Pusteria noclador 14:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Question

Does anyone know the ages of Italians at WWII eg: were all men 15-45 asked to fight. Can this info be included? Marinacid 12:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Alpini

Hi, I've been doing a lot of military related article-work on wikipedia, but I decided to join up now, as I understood the value of peer-review, while working on the article Romanian Land Forces. I did mostly equipment tables and OrBat graphics i.e. Australia, Austria, Belgium (30 more can be found here).
Currently I'm working on a project to create a comprehensive Alpini "portal". The work done so far can be accessed from here. The articles that are not yet fully finished, I will do within the next two weeks. If I have missed a unit/battle or any other help/suggestion/cooperation is very welcome and much appreciated. noclador 14:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Italian units in Operation Battleaxe (1941)

Hello. I have some questions on the Italian units in Operation Battleaxe.

• What Italian units were involved? And what's the proper name for them? I know that 2° reggimento artiglieria Celere was involved, but what would be the correct English translation? Oberiko 18:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Research request

The article Italian guerrilla war in Ethiopia is an item that I've had some suspicions about for a long while, for reasons (in brief) of plausibility: after the British capture of Italian East Africa, the remaining Italians, who were in an alien & mostly hostile land, had little fight remaining in them. But reality is often implausible. In the last week, I've encountered one piece of evidence that contradicts on point in this article, so I'm asking for someone with the resources -- or is skilled enough in Italian -- to verify the sources cited at the end of this article. If it's all verifiable, I'll be happy; if someone has misrepresented the facts, then something needs to be done. (BTW, I'm not doubting any one person's truthfulness, but after the Sadi Carnot debacle I'd be happier if someone confirmed that the sources actually say what the article claims). Thanks -- llywrch (talk) 21:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Translation of FA it:Pasque Veronesi into Veronese Easters

Could anyone help with this translation please? Thanks. Neddyseagoon - talk 13:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Translation of it:Battaglia di Santa Lucia into Battle of Santa Lucia

Very good Italian page , English version is a stub - translation please? Neddyseagoon - talk 11:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Four days of Naples

Another translation-help request! Long featured Italian article to be translated. Neddyseagoon - talk 12:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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submarines General Sanjuro and General Mola

Archimede class submarine and Spanish submarine C-3 contradict each other, the first says that Archimede was renamed General Sanjuro and Torricelli was renamed General Mola, whilst the latter says that Archimede was renamed General Mola and Torricelli was renamed General Sanjuro. This contradiction requires attention. 76.66.195.190 (talk) 11:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Move request

There is an active proposal to rename the article Italian submarine Sciré (1938) (with acute accent) to Italian submarine Scirè (1938) (with grave accent). Interested editors may comment on the proposal at the article's talk page — Bellhalla (talk) 16:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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