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Nominations[edit]

Nominations for each of the three Titan's Cross variants made be made below. Please keep in mind that time differences across the world mean that we can not all be here at the same time, so allow some time between nomination and awarding to allow all members a chance to participate in the consensus phase. Once consensus has been reached, any member of the project may award the appropriate version of the Titan's Cross to its intended recipient using one of the following templates.

When awarding the Titan's Cross please remember to update the project award page with the name of the user in question and the citation for the award variant issued.

Nominations for the Bronze Cross[edit]

Parsecboy[edit]

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I nominate Parsecboy (talk · contribs) for the very first Titan's Cross. He has been the driving force behind the improvement of the German battlecruisers, and is one of the people I can think of within the OMT community that truly deserves recognition for his work from us. His featured articles and his featured topic speak for themselves, and without him at may well be said that we would be at a loss for many of our non-US battlewagons.

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Climie.ca[edit]

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I nominate Climie.ca (talk · contribs) for the second Titan's Cross. He has been part of the battleship effort for some time now, and was the driving force behind the improvement of the Yamato-class battleships to their current FT stats. He was also the person who endeavored to bring the USS Iowa turret explosion article to FA class, and lead an unsuccessful attempt to create a featured topic around the explosion article.

  • Nominate and support TomStar81 (Talk) 01:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support What would have been the third article of the FT. I know that there is the explosion and the book on it, but, anything else? Otherwise, big help, and you forgot his japan work. Buggie111 (talk) 01:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a look at his userpage will explain it all.....--White Shadows you're breaking up 02:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Major mis-statement alert, Cla68 did the turret explosion and the unsuccessful FT, not Cam. -MBK004 07:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'll accept the trout for this one, I get those two confused sometimes since the ".ca" part reminds of Cla for some reason. Amended as per your excellent observation :) TomStar81 (Talk) 07:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yoenit (talk) 07:48, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - duh. He only got the three biggest battleships ever built to FA/GA, plus he's just a cool person. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:32, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Work on Yamato class battleship was outstanding, and he seems to have every skill set necessary to get the job done. - Dank (push to talk) 13:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The ed17[edit]

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I nominate The ed17 (talk · contribs) for the third Titan's Cross. Ed's been a mover and shaker for this project, lending all manner of assistance to the articles he worked for which has resulted in many moving up to B, GA, and even A class (along with the FAs of course). His dedication to constantly adopting articles and to locating good quality reliable sources for those articles has helped us in our push for the largest FT here on Wikipedia, and this dedication deserves to be recognized.

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MBK004[edit]

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I nominate MBK004 (talk · contribs) for the fourth Titan's cross. MBK's contributions can be easily be mistaken if you're not paying attention to them, since he works outside the usual content contribution lines that most of adhere to. Its for this reason that I have singled him out for the fourth and last of the inaugural Titan's Cross recipients. MBK's work to inform us of newly opened GA, A, and FACs for our articles coupled with the constant checking and reverting of non-constructive edits make him a one-of-a-kind contributors to the operation, and when this is combined with his assistance in DYK work and suggestions for article improvement make him a unique and precious asset to our ongoing operation. For this, I feel that he deserves to be recognized by us as one the first to receive this award.

  • Support as nominator TomStar81 (Talk) 01:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • support. The grunt that does all of the paperwork, and a few A class articles for variety. Buggie111 (talk) 01:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support not per the writeing but for the behind the scenes work. (Which is at times even more important that writeing.....)--White Shadows you're breaking up 02:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support Invaluable worker; our very own WikiGnome.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for OMT Bot! bahamut0013wordsdeeds 04:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yoenit (talk) 07:48, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - MBK is living proof that you don't have to be a writer to help the project (or WP, for that matter). Thanks for all of your help MBK; our lives would be much more complicated without you. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:32, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Especially with the AlertBot down, I would feel lost without MBK's watchful eye. - Dank (push to talk) 13:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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TomStar81[edit]

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I wish he hadn't beat me to the first nomination, but I think that TomStar81 (talk · contribs) for the highest honor. For one, he's been the main driving force and father of the project, not to mention our unofficial coordinator (at least, in my mind). He deserves a great share of credit for many of our current quality articles, most notably the Iowa-class FT and the articles within. Plus, his morale is waning and he needs a boot in the ass like this to refocus him! :P

  • Support as nominator bahamut0013wordsdeeds 04:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dumb, bot-like Comment As part of the three tiered system, shouldn't this be moved to the bronze noms. I also believe that Tom has really turned this from a pile of junk into a pile of a gold. Buggie111 (talk) 04:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I though about that, but Tom needs super-extra recognition. I think we can make an exception here and skip the bronze and silver. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 04:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hm. If we give him a gold, then we can't do this two more times for him, right? It might be nice to space the recognition out. - Dank (push to talk) 04:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't considered that. Hm... well, if you guys support using the bronze to allow for repeat awards, I will capitulate. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 04:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Rama[edit]

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I'd like to nominate Rama, a hard-working person who is not a member of this project. His (I take him to be male) contributions by creating French battleship stubs has certainitly been helpful, to if anyone, me. Providing a few scant references and a small tidbit of information was enough for me when I expanded those stubs for the May contest. They really helped create a starting point for me to expand them farther and wider. I believe that, as we cleaer off our final red links (only 5 left!), Rama should get an award for helping us do a decent share of them. Buggie111 (talk) 18:00, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as nominator Buggie111 (talk) 18:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - no disrespect to Rama, as he has done a lot, but I just don't think he has done enough. Apologies, —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:31, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I am also gonna have to oppose this. I think Rama is a great editor who has done a lot of work on articles about France, but his French battleship stubs (at least the ones I checked) were created around 3 years ago as one line stubs and he has done no effort to expand them since. Yoenit (talk) 07:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral you got the ball rolling but you have'nt exactly improved any articles to GA or FA ect...I'm not gonig to oppose though.--White Shadows stood on the edge 10:58, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Bahamut0013[edit]

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I hereby nominate Bahamut0013 (talk · contribs) for the Bronze Titan's Cross. Bahamut0013 has been the driving force behind the creation of the battleship portal and has been instrumental in helping us rebuild the main page to its current look. For the hard work and diligence he has shown to this operation I feel he has earned the Titan's Cross, and thus I respectfully submit his name for consideration of the award. TomStar81 (Talk) 21:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Sturmvogel 66[edit]

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I hereby nominate Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) for the Bronze Titan's Cross. Sturmvogel 66 has been instrumental in the improvement of a large number of articles, including Good Topics concentrating around Russian battleships, British battlecruisers, a multitude of other articles. For his incredible performance in both the WWI contest (primarily because of his battleship and battlecruiser articles) and his willingness to tackle such a wide variety of articles, I respectfully submit his name for consideration of the award. Cam (Chat) 23:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as nominator. Cam (Chat) 23:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with enthusiasm. How could I not? bahamut0013wordsdeeds 01:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -MBK004 02:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support TomStar81 (Talk) 06:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yoenit (talk) 06:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support - goodness, how did we forget him in the initial round of nominations? This mistake needs to be corrected. Quickly. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:49, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too many outstanding recipients, this is raising the bar for the rest of us. No wait, Support. - Dank (push to talk) 13:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Kirill Lokshin[edit]

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I'm nominating Kirill for this award for the enormously helpful behind-the-scenes work he has been doing. Kirill does all of this thankless work despite not being an OMT member nor having an special interest in the subject, and it's something I feel we need to appreciate. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 15:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support -MBK004 17:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Aye aye. It's not like he doesn't have other things to do, but he continues to make time for community-building and organization. - Dank (push to talk) 17:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: he's the man. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 20:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support - when it comes to template coding, backroom work, and the finer points of programming, Kirill is the master. Cam (Chat)(Prof) 06:02, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Thank god for Kirill, without him I sometimes wonder where we would be right now. TomStar81 (Talk) 21:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominations for the Silver Cross[edit]

Sturmvogel 66[edit]

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I hereby nominate Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) for the very first Titan's Cross in Silver. Sturmvogel has been the driving force behind a number of the Good Topics claimed as part of Majestic Titan, including the Imperator Aleksandr II-class battleships GT, Lion-class battlecruisers, and Invincible-class battlecruisers. For the dedication displayed in getting these class to good topic status, I feel that Sturmovogel 66 has earned the Titan's Cross in Silver, and thus I respectfully submit his name for the honor.

  • Support TomStar81 (Talk) 10:04, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Are we sure you want to give him another Titan's cross just three days after he got the first? We can only do this 3 times total and I hope Sturm is gonna stick around for a while and write a lot more FA/GA topics. Yoenit (talk) 11:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yeah, it may be better to wait a little bit and let him appreciate the bronze one. I'll Support either way. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 11:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Given that nobody has commented on this for over a week, can we archive these conversations? Yoenit (talk) 09:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think it's time, now. I see your name everywhere that good things happen. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 13:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Yes, the work just since June deserves another cross. - Dank (push to talk) 13:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yeah, you've done a lot Strum. Buggie111 (talk) 14:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I've looked up to you a lot when it comes to BB's Strum. You made me improve my work here and I hold you in high regards :)--White Shadows Your guess is as good as mine 01:48, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support it's obvious why Yoenit (talk) 17:19, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Parsecboy[edit]

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I hereby nominate Parsecboy (talk · contribs) for the second Titan's Cross in Silver. Paresecboy's work speaks for itself; he has to his credit good topic noms for Brandenburg-class battleships and Derfflinger-class battlecruisers, and has also obtained a featured topic status credit for the Moltke-class battlecruisers. For this I feel that Paresecboy deserves the second Titan's Cross in Silver.

  • Support TomStar81 (Talk) 10:04, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Same story as with Sturmvogel, by awarding so quickly you are not leaving anything for future work (such as the battleships of germany topic he seems intend on creating right now)Yoenit (talk) 11:15, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yeah, it may be better to wait a little bit and let him appreciate the bronze one. I'll Support either way. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 11:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think it's time, now. I see your name everywhere that good things happen. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 13:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Same here, the work just since June deserves another cross. (Gratz on lead coord btw!) - Dank (push to talk) 13:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Your work is everywhere on OMt, you are constantly fixing new problems and expanding new articles. Buggie111 (talk) 14:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support let's kick him up to gold now!--White Shadows Your guess is as good as mine 01:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support it's obvious why Yoenit (talk) 17:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Bahamut0013 (Posthumous)[edit]

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For his dedication to our project, both on and off wikipedia, I would like to nominate Bahamut0013 as the first candidate to receive the the Titan's Cross in Silver. I making this recommendation I find that he was a man of outstanding character, who worked with us to turn the main page and the portal into the successes they are today, that he was proud member of milhist, and that he has received the Titan's Cross in Bronze for his contributions to OMT.


Discussion[edit]
Agree, move to gold. FieldMarine (talk) 01:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a tad reluctant to bump this gold only because once or twice when its been suggested that we skip a level and move up the OMT group's reacted badly to the suggestion. To be fair to that position though, I would not object to renominating Baha for a gold cross if Portal:United States Marine Corps and Portal:Battleships, both of which baha managed, end up at the FA level. In this manner we could build off the work he started as carry his memory forward for Gold Cross. There is precedent for this kind of thing on Wikipedia, but I will take a wait and see on which of the two methods present (jump to gold or silver then gold for the portals) appeals more the voters. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea, although USMC isn't really in our scope. I'll start on a message to remind members of activity here. Buggie111 (talk) 02:15, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it is. See Marines are Naval Infantry, and since the battleships usually carried a Marine detachment with them for deployments (take the Iowa's 5"/38 dp mounts, one of which was manned by USMC personnel) we can justify the two as being one and the same. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think "Gold" means anything, or can mean anything, when there's never been a Silver. - Dank (push to talk) 14:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Sturmvogel 66 (2)[edit]

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Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Battlecruisers of the World/archive1 passed just recently. As a result of this Milhist and OMT now have claim to the largest featured topic currently on Wikipedia, and OMT specifically has one half of their mandate for battleship and battlecruiser articles fulfilled. Given that this has been a spectacular four years in the making, I thought it'd be a good time to revisit the idea of awarding Sturmvogel 66 the Titan's Cross in Silver, both for his dedication to the project's battlecruiser content and the endurance he has demostrated in going the distance to see this done.

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Nominations for the Gold Cross[edit]

(copied from OMT main page) Titan's Cross?[edit]

I've been thinking about this for a few days now so I decided I would share this with the rest of you: As large as our special project is, we could probably stand to have our own award to recognize membership participation. I was thinking we could call this the Titan's Cross, and do like we do with the A-class articles and have the award upgrade as people clear certain milestones. What do you guys think about doing something like this? TomStar81 (Talk) 20:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me, though I'm not exactly sure how to structure it. One (elaborate) way would be have a bronze star or cross (x class) for x number of GAs, increasing in grade for the number, then a silver star for A-class, increasing the same way and a gold star for FAs, etc. And perhaps the first award should be for a relatively few articles, increasing for the higher grades as some dedicated (if not twisted) souls could conceivably write forty or more articles. Maybe something like 3-5-7, etc.? Or maybe we could use more of the standard awards that you listed earlier, that nobody seems to have used.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't it really seem to be a conflict of interest to ask us about an award that would likely be awarded mostly to ourselves?
In any case, a progression system seems overly complex given the number of participants (even assuming a few recipients outside the project membership). Perhaps just one or two for consensus-decided recognition? And no, I'm not just saying this because I'm utterly useless at GAC, ACR, and FAC! bahamut0013wordsdeeds 21:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I made a draft: http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9526/titancrossgold.png Comments? bahamut0013wordsdeeds 00:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I kinda like that design. And that's not just because Parsec and I would likely earn most of whatever we decide upon, if anything. But I'm more concerned to encourage the other members of the project to expand some articles, but I suspect that many do not have the time or resources to do so easily. Three or four of us worked together to help fill out Parsec's article on SMS Goeben when it was at ACR to help it meet the completeness criteria and that may be the way that some of us prefer to work. And that's great, but I'd still like to see more general participation.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:53, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, somthing to influence me to write about French battleship stubs. Not really. I like the image, and think hat somthing like 1 class or 2 ship articles would be an appropriate incrament. Buggie111 (talk) 01:15, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I like Sturmvogel's suggestion. FWIW, as a member of this operation, I support it.--White Shadows you're breaking up 01:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ooooh, me likely. Would two Featued Lists be enough to earn it? ;) ...which reminds me. FYI, I'm waiting on interlibrary loan for Conway's before tackling those two lists I've claimed any further... - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 03:26, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So do we like my draft? I'll upload it in gold, silver, and bronze if we agree on the image. Or I can tweak it if anyone thinks it needs tweaking. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 02:33, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The draft is good, and I have no objection with adopting it for the official special project award. Before we have the images uploaded I would like to ensure that we are in agreement to award this by consensus and not in a tiered setting, and would like to invite anyone with questions about this award to step forward. If anything remains unresolved, now is the time to address it so that when the images are uploaded we can move quickly to adopt them into our operation. TomStar81 (Talk) 09:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, let me just get this straight, the plan is to make a new medal (titans cross) and award this using a system similar to the current MH A-class medals.I support that, but will there also be a version which can be freely awarded to people outside the operation when they have helped you a lot on a battleship article? (titans barnstar?)Yoenit (talk) 10:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The rationale I had for making it consenus-based instead of tiered was precisely that: so we could recognize people outside of a rigid matrix. We can still have the three degrees of the award this way as well. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 11:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with Yoenit—I would like to be able to award it to people outside the project who come out of nowhere to save a FAC. :) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:27, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Or aFAR. Buggie111 (talk) 13:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moving forward[edit]

Alright then, it appears that the award and its criteria for being issued have been hashed out among us with satisfactory results. I therefore move that we adopt the Titan's cross as our official award using the image provided by Bahamut0013 (talk · contribs). TomStar81 (Talk) 02:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since two people asked: criteria=consensus among members. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 16:45, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've uploaded them:

Any comments? bahamut0013wordsdeeds 17:40, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, what are the requirements for each award again?--White Shadows you're breaking up 18:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus amongst ourselves. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 20:17, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I get it! It's like the Chevrons at the main award page. Other people must deem your work to be helpful. Buggie111 (talk) 20:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Motions passes[edit]

Alright then, its official: the award is accepted for the special project. Bahatumt0013, how about putting something together on the main page for the official award of our special project. It may help moral and recruitment :) TomStar81 (Talk) 20:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And maybe a nominations section on the talk? Buggie111 (talk) 21:37, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you guy's want, I can create the page over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Maritime warfare task force/Operation Majestic Titan/Titan's Cross and have you all fix it up once I add in the very basic details. I'll model it off of the page that the Chevrons.--White Shadows you're breaking up 21:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Buggie111 (talk) 22:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
May I ask once again what are the criteria for each award and how the nomination processgoes along?--White Shadows you're breaking up 22:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Does the award page not cover this? Ok: The members, bare the nominator and recipiant, decide whether the work that the recipiant is nominated for is good, helpful work, like the Oak Chevrons. For example. If I nominated PArsec for his work on the german BC's, than neither I or PArsec would be able to vote. If the other members deemed that to be a major contribution to the project, than he would get the cross. He could do so 3 times. Buggie111 (talk) 22:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
well then what would be the diffrence between a bronze and a gold award? Perhaps the recipiant should have X amount of GA's or FA's ect... in order to qualify for each award and the critera goes up between each award....--White Shadows you're breaking up 22:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That was declined by the members. The difference is just like in A-class medals, 1 large beneficial work, 2 and 3, say PArsec doing the German BB's and BC's, along with the american BB's. Buggie111 (talk) 22:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok then let the nominations begin :) (We all know that Parsec will get the first one....)--White Shadows you're breaking up 22:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a limited number of initial nominations, I invite all to vote on them. TomStar81 (Talk) 01:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, where?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:01, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've created a set of templates that will be given to each user for all of the awards *bronze, silver and gold) They all include the image that we agreed on. Let me know what you think of them. (I know that colors may be a bit too much so we can remove them if you all like)
  • Here they are
 The Titan's Cross in Bronze 
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 The Titan's Cross in Silver 
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 The Titan's Cross in Gold 
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What do you all think?--White Shadows you're breaking up 02:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you use the Titan's Cross in Bronze instead of the Bronze Titan's Cross? I have never seen a medal quality described that way before. Yoenit (talk) 07:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I originaly had it like that.... bahamut0013 changed it to the current form.--White Shadows you're breaking up 13:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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