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Single or song infobox

Despite the issue being raised more than once in recent years, there is still no clear division between the use of {{Infobox single}} and {{Infobox song}}. Please can someone give, or point to, an unambiguous guide to the distinction between, and intended usage of, the pair? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

i don't really see how this is a problem except in modern cases where an advance track (or something similar) is released digitally before an album. and, in those cases i think we should follow the term used by the artist/label and other sources. if it isn't explicitly called a single, it's just a song. ~ Boomur [☎] 17:57, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but that doesn't really answer my question. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

i'm a bit confused. the single box can be used for a single, and song for a song. i think i might misunderstand the question? ~ Boomur [☎] 17:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

The opening line of our article One Slip is "One Slip" is a song from Pink Floyd's 1987 album A Momentary Lapse of Reason. Without looking, which infobox should the article use? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:39, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

i don't think that's a question of which infobox—the opening line should simply say single instead of song? ~ Boomur [☎] 19:48, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

A single is not a song and a song is not a single. A song can also be a single and a single can also be a song! --Richhoncho (talk) 20:42, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

You've avoided my question: here's another. Which infobox should the article on Pink Floyd's 'Money' use? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:18, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

There's only two people not avoiding your question!!! That's quite different to not answering the way you would like us to answer!!! Anyway, I don't like the text you supplied, which was my comment and not addressed to you, but fair enough, I have now drafted a rewording, One Slip is a song written by David Gilmour and Phil Manzanera, performed by Pink Floyd. It has been released as both an A-side and a B-side and appears of the Pink Floyd album A Momentary Lapse of Reason. The point is, irrespective of the manner in which it was sent to the market place for the general public, it still remains a song.

In answer to your question, according to the single template, that template should be used for any single (A or B-side) release of a song.

One of the reasons I didn't respond quicker was because I no longer know what a single is - when I bought them waaay back, the single was the A-side and the B-side was just that, a B-side. Some editors at WP think that's changed and even want to classify B-sides as singles. Also a single was precisely that, a song available singly (irrespective of the fact they used both sides of the plastic!). I checked all the #1 Billboard albums for this year and every track on those 4/5 albums are available on itunes singly. So why aren't those singles?

Some editors seem to think radio and promotional singles are not singles, so I am even more confused. I wish somebody with more up-to-date knowledge could clarify that one! --Richhoncho (talk) 10:52, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

As it is related to newer music, any song that is made available for retail sale (digital download, CD single, 7', etc.) or radio play, singularly, is a single. As for you statement of "every track on those 4/5 albums are available on itunes singly," that is because following the album's release all songs can be purchased by themselves, however they do not have their own download page with their own information (cover, writers, label, performers), which would make them a single. Some editors like to call songs that did not receive much success "promotional singles", however according to that article, promo singles are released for free. So I have only called songs promo singles if they are in fact free. However, all articles should start how you said Richhoncho, introducing it as a song, then in the next sentence saying it is a single (if it is), and what album it was released in promotion of. As it is releated to the infobox, if it was released for retail sale as a single or officially serviced to radio as a single, use Template: Infobox single, if not then use Template: Infobox song. STATic message me! 15:53, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

So, is the proposition that an article about a song, which was not released commercially, should use {{Infobox song}}, but if it is then later released commercially, the infobox should be changed to {{Infobox single}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:21, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Technically all music is released commercially, at least in this internet age, the proposition is if there is a retail or radio release as a single, whether it be from its original premiere or months after the album's release, as its sixth/seventh single, its article should use the single template. The single template opens up other single only options that the song template does not have. However, if the song does not double as a single, the song template works just fine. STATic message me! 17:28, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

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