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Redundant barnstar removed

Removed one:

The Wikipedian's Barnstar

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Wikipedian's BarnstarThe Wikipedian's Barnstar
The Wikipedian's Barnstar may be awarded to Wikipedians whose contributions are appreciated (all types of users), who tries to prevent vandalism from ruining Wikipedia (administrators), and improving Wikipedia. It may also be awarded to a dedicated and trusted Wikipedian who was rewarded their own day.
Introduced by Pômgut on March 13, 2010. For some reason all these already have their own respective barnstars. Kayau Voting IS evil 14:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

It looks nice. Perhaps we can find another use for it? It could replace the image for The All-Around Amazing Barnstar. Gaia Octavia Agrippa^Talk |_Sign 15:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I like the image we already have for the All-Around Amazing Barnstar. I don't think we should be replacing Barnstars, especially longstanding ones, without a damn good reason. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

But anyways, this image is also nice. Somewhere, it could be used. --Extra999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Let's save it until we're in need of a general barnstar. Just don't get it deleted. Kayau Voting IS evil 11:39, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Better idea. --Extra999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 08:07, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar of Good Humor

The picture on the barnstar is not attractive at all. A better image needed --Extra999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 16:42, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I think it's ok the way it is; however, if you insist on a better image, an emoticon might do. Kayau Voting IS evil 01:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

These three. --Extra999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 08:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

And this:

Yes, File:Face-grin.svg is better. Any other suggestions. --Extra999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:07, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

How about this one? ~NERDYSCIENCEDUDE (✉ message • changes) 14:03, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks nice to me, but a thorough consensus should be reached first. Kayau Voting IS evil 14:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

On the other hand, candidate 2 looks good too, but I believe there's a kind of consensus over the fact that it shouldnt be used...

By the way, the barnstar I proposed was put together by me. ~NERDYSCIENCEDUDE (✉ message • changes) 14:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I think, a red or purple background would be better for File:Barnstar of Humour4.png instead of original brown. For all above, We must now conduct a consensus, which icon is better. --Extra999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 15:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I think you should remove the shadow from the grinning face first. You can do that before you copy it onto the barnstar. Kayau Voting IS evil 23:56, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

No shadows are there. --Extra999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 09:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'm quite sure it's there. :) Kayau Voting IS evil 10:56, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

You may be thinking of Humour2.png (it has) but I was talking about Humour4.png, and I find it better. --Extra999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 15:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

There was a shadow on my design. I have removed it. ~NERDYSCIENCEDUDE (✉ message • changes) 15:33, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm jumping in on the conversation a little late, but I actually like the original iteration of the barnstar because it is more jovial; although, the it does look a little pale. —Eustress ^talk 15:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Empty spaces, black and white. --Extra999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 16:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we should stick with the original one. There's nothing wrong with it, and it looks better than any of these suggestions. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:42, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar requiring some discussion

Is Template:Kosovo je Srbija this really the type of award we want to be giving out? It's appears to be a reward for editing in a way that espouses a particular political viewpoint. This sort of award could be misinterpreted and appears divisive for the same grounds that we caution users of political userboxes that they may be seen as polemical; see Wikipedia:Userboxes/Politics. Any thoughts? Knepflerle (talk) 18:50, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Compare with our entry on "Kosovo je Srbija" ("Kosovo is Serbia"). This thing could serve as a textbook example of creating the wrong editing atmosphere and even a "battleground" mentality. Balkan-related articles have enough problems with behaviour, attitudes & approaches already; and such barnstars would only add more fuel to the mix by exacerbating perceptions of biased approaches to article content. Its use immediately generated an all-too-predictable response (link), and apparently led to an editor being blocked (diff.). — I would gladly ignore all rules and delete it myself right now, if I had the time to reply to any subsequent concerns. - Ev (talk) 17:51, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Now at TfD. Knepflerle (talk) 18:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I think ir must be deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinie007 (talk • contribs) 19:15, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Correct. --Extra999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 05:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

MRPICKLE1234

I have made many minor edits before making huge articles on Wikipedia. Can I please keep my "The Minor Barnstar"? --MRPICKLE1234 (talk) 18:15, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

There are no rules or laws regarding Barnstars. You can give them to whoever you want for whatever reason you want. Nobody is gonna complain if you give a barnstar to someone for the wrong reason.

However, as they are supposed to be awards given in recognition of a specific task or serie of tasks. They are usually given to a user A by another user B who noticed that A made something great for wikipedia or for another user. They are not supposed to be self-attributed.

Therefore, nobody cares if you gave yourself a barnstar and you can do whatever you want with it, but you should know it's not the way it's supposed to be used Ksempac (talk) 22:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Mills barnstar

It's been discussed at WT:MILLS, but so far no action. We need a barnstar.

Something based on File:Molen-ster.svg but with five sails, minus the star, and revolving (anti-clockwise, like most windmills) in a style similar to File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif. Anyone want a go at making one? Mjroots (talk) 18:42, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I would love to make one, but I don't know how to work with animated gifs. Sounds like a neat idea though. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ message • changes) 12:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, let's take this a step at a time then. Get the basic five sailed mill design done. Maybe then another editor could tackle the animation. Mjroots (talk) 11:28, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Virtual drinks?

How about a beer mug, to show that you'd like to buy the editor a drink? Another version could be made with several mugs, to recognize good work by a group. Maurreen (talk) 07:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a WP:PUA, so go ahead and make one yourself. Kayau Voting IS evil 08:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Please look at this. Acather96 (talk) 17:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Awards

How about making a barn star for people who tag pages with the wikiproject of there subject like what I do. Also how about more barn stars for different countries for people who help in other wikiproject countries —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spongie555 (talk • contribs) 04:06, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Excellent idea. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 08:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

SBSP Barnstar

Add My SBSP Barnstar to the list (It is an alternative to the Bubble Award) Barnstar by me, picture by SpongeSebastian Computer97 (talk) 13:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

		The SpongeBob SquarePants Barnstar Award
		{{{1}}}

This would be an award appropriate for WP:PUA. It is acceptable for you to add the award yourself there. Quinxorin (talk) 03:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. Should consensus be in favour of it, it should be added to the awards by WikiProject, much like the Family Guy barnstar. Kayau Voting IS evil 08:09, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

If its going to be self awarded then it shouldn't be a barnstar or look like a barnstar. Self awarded Barnstars are at best missing the point, at worst undermining the barnstar idea. We have service awards which can be self awarded. Ϣere SpielChequers 08:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think it's a self-awarded barnstar; I think it's for WP:SBSP. Kayau Voting IS evil 12:25, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
  - I think the confusion stems from the inclusion of the word "Award" in the title: "The SpongeBob SquarePants Barnstar Award" That word should probably be dropped from the template; WP:SBSP already has {{Bubble Award}}, which is more a PUA than a barnstar.
    --Gyrobo (talk) 15:15, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Geology barnstars

I request the addition of two barnstars:

	The Geology Barnstar
	The Geology Barnstar acknowledges editors who have made extraordinarily nice contributions to geology articles.

		The Lacustrine Barnstar
		The Lacustrine Barnstar is awarded for outstanding lake-related contributions.

--Gyrobo (talk) 02:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Great job making those images. Personally, I like transparent-background, but that's just me. I agree they should be added to WP:BARN Quinxorin (talk) 03:51, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I also agree transparent backgrounds are a bit more appealing, but that may only be possible for geology one. The star in geology one may be a bit too small, though I really like the stone/granite star being uncovered and hammer concept. The lake barnstar looks slightly unrealistic under water, it may need some tweaking to look closer to how underwater objects look. — Hellknowz ▎talk 12:24, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree that transparent images should be used whenever possible. But I just couldn't make it look good here. I've updated the Lacustrine image, fixed the perspective, made it ripple slightly. How's it looking?
--Gyrobo (talk) 14:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Better. They both might be still too small though. — Hellknowz ▎talk 14:34, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking about that, but I think the current sizes work. The geology barnstar is small enough that the rock hammer can be prominent, and the covering rock is also distinguishable. If it were bigger, the barnstar would have to be moved to the side (like File:Geology barnstar.png). And I felt the lake barnstar needed a little more background, too, just to show that it was under a body of water (create a visible gradient between sand and deep blue) instead of just blue plastic wrap.
--Gyrobo (talk) 14:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm speaking out of preference for plain stars with some attributes. I would have made the geology star to just have a hammer next to it and base of it encrusted in stone. Similarly, I would have had the lake star washed on the bank, instead of fully under-water, though I really like the submerged effect. Anyhow, you are leading it in a different direction, so I may not be the best critic here. — Hellknowz ▎talk 14:51, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not an artist, so I'm not the best critic either. Those sound like good ideas, though. Can projects have more than one barnstar?
--Gyrobo (talk) 15:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I think WP:PUA can have whatever number you want. Official WP:BS is probably limited to 1/topic. At least there has to be consensus that it is added. Do you propose several design/subtopic variations? — Hellknowz ▎talk 15:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Not really. Your ideas sound nice, but I don't think I can bring them to life. The designs I made were really the only ones I was thinking of at the time.
--Gyrobo (talk) 16:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I can make a quick one, see if it can be used topically. — Hellknowz ▎talk 16:15, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking along the lines of this: — Hellknowz ▎talk 16:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm so putting that in the barnstar. Maybe mine can be used for something else, but yours is awesome.
--Gyrobo (talk) 19:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I've added The Geology Barnstar to the list of topical barnstars.
--Gyrobo (talk) 00:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I like them in the order they are listed: my favorite is #1, least favorite is #3. But the important thing is: We are finally getting a geology barnstar!!! Qfl247 (talk) 00:45, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

For those who don't know, Qfl247 is referring to Template talk:The Geology Barnstar, where I've listed the geology barnstar images created thus far. I put a notice on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geology announcing the imminent creation of a geology barnstar.
--Gyrobo (talk) 00:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

@H3llkn0wz, the resize you did made the hammer handle look slightly jagged along the edges, I think.
--Gyrobo (talk) 18:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I blurred it a little bit. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 18:46, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Continent Related Badges

I know that the person before me mentioned country-specific barnstars, but in particular: I was thinking a separation of Barnstars by continent. I think that countries would be too narrow, if you have one country, I feel that you should have them all. For example, who is going to contribute enough to get the Ivory Coast barnstar or the Yemen barnstar? If we have barnstars such as North America, Europe, Asia, Oceania, Antarctica (haha), then it would be far more broad and possible to work with? Thoughts?

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot to log in when I posted this...

-CaradocTheKing (talk) 23:59, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree, sounds like an excellent idea to me. Quinxorin (talk) 22:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Not a bad idea: the only problem is, somebody's got to go ahead and make one. Kayau Voting IS evil 08:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you want the actual pictures of continents within the image or some kind of symbolica? I would suggest choosing some 2-3 recognisable and prominent/unique items from each. Any particular ideas/items anyone can suggest? — Hellknowz ▎talk 12:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Maybe three items each: HISTORY, GEOGRAPHY, CULTURE, plus a map. Kayau Voting IS evil 14:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you have any specific in mind? Because I cannot think of one for every continent. For example, Australia has mostly endemic fauna, but Asia has almost everything some others already do. Same with culture, Asia is best known for Russian/Slavic and Japanese/Chinese cultures, but that's already 2 items. Etc. So some specific ideas would be nice. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 14:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Bedfordshire

I'm currently trying to revive the project, and though it would be good to design a project barnstar. I've created File:WikiProject Bedfordshire Barnstar.png, I'm just not sure if it would be 'acceptable' in the world of quality barnstars. Thanks in advance, Acather96 (talk) 16:59, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

That specific style of award is usually used only in User Ranks. Personally, I would try something like recoloring the star to the colors of the flag (and adding something else), superimposing it over an image of the flag, etc. - Quinxorin (talk) 03:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I like the image, really. Support. Kayau Voting IS evil 09:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

It does look like a service award/medal though, and less like a barnstar. It's also very large vertically, and though some super-vertical barnstars have slipped through, I don't think this is a good direction. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 12:54, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't aware that consensus had to be gained here to add it to the 'Awards by WikiProject' page. Shall I remove it? Acather96 (talk) 14:59, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you should remove it, I doubt there will ever be much opposition to WikiProject awards. Besides, it doesn't look bad. You noted about "quality barnstars" so we must have assumed you are proposing it for the main barnstar page. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 15:08, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Page redesign

Very nice new layout! Nice work by Antonu (talk · contribs) -- œ ^™ 13:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Entrepreneur's Barnstar

Perhaps it would be a good idea to create a barnstar for new users who do their best to contribute to Wikipedia. I was thinking something like this:

		The Entrepreneur's Barnstar
		The Entrepreneur's Barnstar is given to recognize new editors who have made great strides to contribute to Wikipedia. Custom User Message Quinxorin (talk) 00:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The template I made is set up to force the use of the default message (plus a custom message) but that can be changed. Quinxorin (talk) 20:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

It's probably a good idea to keep some kind of default message; a new user probably wouldn't know about the whole barnstar concept. You may even want to wikilink to WP:BARNSTAR.
--Gyrobo (talk) 00:34, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I think they should be given their respective barnstars rather than this odd one. Kayau Voting IS evil 08:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

On one hand, it is a nice way to award new, but skillful editors. On the other hand, a barnstar for just being a new editor seems inconsistent. I also agree that greeting/barnstar link should be set. Finally, I'm not sure what the colouring represents and how it reflect new and/or great contributions. — Hellknowz ▎talk 11:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

The blue legs of the star represent "feet in the sand," if you will. As for the blue top, that represents reaching for the sky. Anyway, maybe it's true, this should be put in PUA, though this makes me sad :(. The template exists in a completed form; see Template:Entrepreneur's Barnstar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinxorin (talk • contribs) 03:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I thought "entrepreneur" meant a different thing. Anyway, I like the colours idea, it may be used for other award, if editors decide against this being for new users. The colouring meaning is super-subtle though, so unless some more hints are added, most users will remain oblivious to it's meaning. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 12:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

An Entrepreneur is a pioneer, a person who starts their own company. And unfortunately I am very busy right now, and as such do not have time to edit the image and make it less subtle, but if someone else does it, that'd be fine with me. And remember, it doesn't really have to be obvious, considering it describes the award in the template - look at the tireless contributor barnstar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinxorin (talk • contribs) 00:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposing the SVG Barnstar

This barnstar can be awarded to people who do a great job converting GIFs and JPGs into SVGs. Thoughts? Kayau Voting IS evil 10:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

{{The SVG Barnstar}} already exists, so why create another one? Regards So Why 10:18, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

*RED FACED* Sorry, I didn't notice that. Forget it. :) Kayau Voting IS evil 10:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Though I'm a bit surprised that it's an png not an svg. Can someone convert that? Kayau Voting IS evil 10:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Having the star in .svg definitely fits the theme. Though I'm not sure the crisp details will be better looking in svg, especially for a 100px thumb, which is going to be png anyway. I'm not opposed though. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 12:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought File:SVG barnstar.png was a png to show the pixelation artefacts that occur when raster images are used in lieu of vector, and as a metaphor for the conversion process?
--Gyrobo (talk) 15:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

creating own personal user award

Hello. I would like to create my own personal user award to give to people who have helped me make The Human centipede (First Sequence). I know this is obviously a bit of a joke and not super serious, and I realise a barnstar requires consensus approval so I'm not even going to bother with attempting that as it's only really a bit of a joke anyway, but am I right in thinking anyone can make any personal user award they like in recognition of more or less anything? If so I have a rather stupid question, how do I do this? Thanks for any help. cya Coolug (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

You can make and propose whatever (well, constructive and contextual) user awards you wish. If your award is just for one person and neither party will be offended, you probably don't even need to bring it up anywhere else. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 19:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation barnstar

Is there really no barnstar or equivalent award for prolific disambiguators? They deserve recognition too. I'm surprised at this. -- œ ^™ 23:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

and

would make a good combination. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 05:43, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

113.253.206.38 (talk) 11:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Heh, is User:Josh Parris and his WildBot eligible if it occurs?? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:18, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

... and I'm not much of an artist, but I picture only the left half of the star being used (or the right half "grayed out"), the "anchor" of the disambig symbol falling right at the centre of the barnstar, and the disambig forks becoming the "rest of the star". Does that make sense? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps this will actually look better Quinxorin (talk) 20:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

		The Disambiguator's Barnstar
		The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators. message Quinxorin (talk) 23:52, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. A bit strange, but works. Support. Kayau Voting IS evil 08:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

It's not bad, I can go for that. So should it be moved to Template namespace first before it can be awarded to people? -- œ ^™ 13:56, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Done. It is now located at Template:Disambiguator's Barnstar Quinxorin (talk) 23:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Renamed it to Disambiguator's Barnstar to fit with other barnstar titles. Quinxorin (talk) 23:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Added. The disambiguation barnstar is now in the list at WP:BARN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinxorin (talk • contribs) 00:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

You may want to do something about the template's categories. Category:Pages with Disambiguator's Barnstar seems unnecessary, and Category:Barnstar award templates should be put in a noinclude.
--Gyrobo (talk) 15:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

It should come as no surprise who the first recipient of this award is.. -- œ ^™ 21:12, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Wisconsin Barnstar

There needs to be a Wisconsin Barnstar. I would create it, but I don't have the software or creativity to do so. Zonafan39 (talk) 04:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Comment - you can download Paint.NET to draw one. I know nothing about the US so I can't help here. Kayau Voting IS evil 08:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I suggest you come up with an idea or a sketch, so the desginer has a starting point to work from. Do you want to include a map, flag, some symbolica, text? Is it star, ribbon, something else? — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 19:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, there already is one on his userpage so it exists. :) Kayau Voting IS evil 09:49, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Copyeditor's Barnstar retouch

A bold remake! I propose to improve the look of the current Copyeditor's Barnstar. I kept close to the original design and the three major points I addressed are: 1) Replace blurry, low-quality broom with a more detailed, newer looking paintbrush; 2) Replace cartoony feel of the quill with a more natural quill; 3) Touch up on the aggressive red colour to make the star slightly shinier and worn, closer to the original barnstar.

Below are my proposed designs (right) and the current version (left):

Comments and suggestions welcome, I am happy to further enhance the design. — Hellknowz ▎talk 17:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I like it. --Gyrobo (talk) 03:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Great job. Personally, I would make the star slightly darker. -Quinxorin (talk) 03:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Made it slightly darker. (old lighter here)— Hellknowz ▎talk 12:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I kind of prefer the old, lighter one. The darker version seems to blend with the paintbrush handle. Maybe it's my monitor, though, I'm on a CRT.
--Gyrobo (talk) 23:56, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, I cannot tell much difference, probably because of the differing textures. I'm on a good quality LCD though. I'll enhance contrast and may be add a bit more shine to the handle later. — Hellknowz ▎talk 00:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think this is a very good idea. The original one isn't of very poor quality; I see no reason to change to a new one. Kayau Voting IS evil 08:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I know the original is decent, especially compared to some other barnstars. I did not intend to propose replacement of the current one initially, but my design ended up almost exactly like the current one; so I adjusted it further and proposed the new one. I am aware the current version has been around forever. My reason is that the new one looks slightly better. — Hellknowz ▎talk 11:50, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

just because something is already good doesn't mean it shouldn't be made better. - Quinxorin (talk) 03:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I believe we have reached consensus - this star should be updated to the new version. If someone else agrees, please perform the image update. Quinxorin (talk) 03:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

As much as I want to replace it, four people is barely consensus for an image that affects a lot of previous barnstars.— HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 12:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Consensus? You know, in the past you could get consensus pretty fast, but this certainly isn't the case here. Besides, I am still opposed to this barnstar. And one more note, if you want to update a barnstar, you should replace the star on the template with the new star rather than upload a new version of an old star so the barnstars already given wouldn't be affected. Kayau Voting IS evil 12:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

If the image is only changed on the template, then Wikipedia will suddenly have people with both the old and new barnstar images; it could dilute the symbolic meaning of the barnstar, and create a distinction between recipients based on when they received their barnstars. If more people are needed for consensus, perhaps we could put in a request for comment?
--Gyrobo (talk) 19:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the current active participants are sufficient; there is no need for this. I'm just stating that it is not common practice to do so, and it may harm the original meaning of the awarder. No RfCs please. I'm quite willing to give in when consensus is against me. :) Kayau Voting IS evil 04:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Four people have participated in this discussion, with three in support and one against. Unless more people come out in opposition, the consensus would be to update. I don't think it would change the original intent of the barnstars that have already been issued if the image was updated. The old image has several problems that the new one remedies: the bristles of the old broom are indistinct and the handle is too skinny; the old quill is cartoonish while the rest of the image is photorealistic; and the old barnstar itself is overly saturated and has slightly jagged edges.
--Gyrobo (talk) 15:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

For reference, I'm including a link to Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals/Archive16#The Copyeditor's Award -- the original discussion over the Copyeditor's Barnstar design.
--Gyrobo (talk) 16:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, the initial design did not propose any variation on broom or quill, which is what I am proposing. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 16:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Should we hold a vote like they did there, though? Or (if you have any ideas) come up with more designs to choose between? Those were good ideas.
--Gyrobo (talk) 16:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think voting is used anymore. Anyway, my intention was not to change or move away from initial design. That would actually "change" the "content" of barnstar instead of "updating" the look of it.— HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 16:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, then. Makes sense. I just thought a concrete vote would help determine consensus.
--Gyrobo (talk) 16:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

One more comment: I don't like the red line being reduced in colour. Perhaps it could go from the old colour, and gradually to the red one? (I'm a non-native speaker so I don't know the name for that.) Kayau Voting IS evil 04:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I like the elements of the new one (star, quill, and broom) but the positioning of the old one (quill and broom parallel). That probably isn't very helpful, sorry. If nobody likes that suggestion, then I support the majority, whichever way that goes (which is currently for the new design). ɳorɑfʈ^Talk! 14:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I like the illustrative consistency of the new version – consistent contrast and level of detail amongst all of the elements. The old version comes across as less sophisticated, more like it was pulled together from different clip art sources with no regard to continuity. I question the use of a paint brush instead of the broom – a paint brush is not appropriate in representing "clean up". There are brooms that do have that sort of look, however, just the proportions and handle's shape will have to be adjusted. One last note, the brush handle's color gets lost in the star's color, they need to be more disparate. dtgriffith (talk) 16:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Paintbrush is meant as an archaeologist's tool for clearing dirt/sand, which is more "professional" than a broom. I'll may be tweak colouring later. As a side note — not to demean others' work, but have you guys seen most of the barnstars we have? Half of them are literally hue shifted with an unaltered overlayed image from commons. I know quality is important, but a bit of quantity at the moment could not hurt. I would hate to spend too much time adjusting the same image. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 16:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

My professional attitude is "if you are going to do it, give it your all and do it right", no matter what the quality is of the other barn stars. The brush as an archaeologist's tool never even occurred to me, don't you think that might be a stretch? This defines a brush having more than one purpose, whereas a broom, as primitive as it might be, serves a single purpose. dtgriffith (talk) 18:40, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought the brush was a metaphor for "touching up" something? Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors uses a pen and magnifying glass as symbols. Should the brush be replaced with a magnifying glass?
--Gyrobo (talk) 18:57, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Funny, I would think "touch up" if it were a fine-point brush. The type of brush shown above is used for wide strokes for heavy coverage. dtgriffith (talk) 19:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I used brush, because brush looks better. Can any of you point to suitable broom images on Commons that can be used?— HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 19:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The new design with the broom looks really good; the handle is much more visible against the star than the paintbrush. Could you make a version with the broom flipped vertically, though, just to see what that would look like?
--Gyrobo (talk) 20:02, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, OK, upside down does look better. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 20:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Now that looks like a far superior retouch of the original.
--Gyrobo (talk) 20:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Done. I haven't been able to comment on this since the beginning, but I just read all the arguments and it seems to me that consensus has been reached. I have replaced the image of the file, thereby changing all the images. If anyone believes consensus has not been reached, please revert. -Quinxorin (talk) 22:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki coordination barnstar

Since a VP proposal has been made for a Wikibooks-wikipedia coordination, perhaps we need one like this. Thoughts? Kayau Voting IS evil 02:08, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I love it. –xeno^talk 02:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, excellent job. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 04:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Support. --Gyrobo (talk) 19:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

It is very large. Is it supposed to be shrinked to 100px or used as it is? — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 19:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Support.Great job on the ring around the outside. The star on the inside looks a bit too animated for me, perhaps replace it wish a ten-pointed version of the original barnstar? -Quinxorin (talk) 22:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

The image is an SVG, I don't think the original barnstar can be used. Setting up thumbnails for the image at 200px and 100px.
--Gyrobo (talk) 01:12, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it is the original barnstar, but a reworked version of it by Antonu. Kayau Voting IS evil 06:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Image looks fine at 100px. I say add it. Quinxorin (talk) 23:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Why does it need to be with 10 points instead the usual 5? Just because it is surrounded by other stuff? I think having a regular barnstar is better. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 00:03, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar Barnstar

I think a Barnstar Barnstar would be a good idea. It could be awarded to people who do a great job in awarding other users justified Barnstars.

Tell me your thoughts, and if it is agreed that this is a good idea, message me so we can discuss what it will look like.

He's just A Common Man! (talk) 19:03, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

You mean like the Barnstar Barnstar which per Wikipedia:Barnstars#Wikipedia-space Barnstars "was created to recognize Wikipedians who have contributed to Wikipedia by creating and awarding barnstars"? VernoWhitney (talk) 19:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Take the userpage shield barnstar from the main barnstar page?

		The Userpage Shield
		The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. Kayau Voting IS evil 04:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's more of a personal token of gratitude than a real 'barnstar'. Should be listed somewhere else IMO. (Sorry Nutiketaiel.) Kayau Voting IS evil 04:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that this does not fit the theme of "barnstars". This is also irrelevant to encyclopaedic content. I suppose PUA? — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 19:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd support moving this. (That said, the PUA page needs cleanup slightly.) {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 06:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Outstanding youth barnstar

		The Outstanding Youth Barnstar
		You're awesome, enough said. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

What do people think of a barnstar for those of us who are underage? There are some pretty outstanding youth out there and the recognition of some of them might encourage them further. If people approve, I can get an image whipped up. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:10, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Barnstars should be awarded by merit, not by one's age/location/nationality/preferences or any other "attribute". I will even go so far as to say some users may take offence. One's identity is unimportant for content improval and we should not encourage otherwise. Though the idea is good-faithed, I do not think this is the type of award that should go out. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 22:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind it as a PUA. I don't see why anyone would take offence either. As a 12-year-old I'll be more than glad to receive a barnstar like this. Besides, WP:Ageism. Kayau Voting IS evil 09:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I think I inspired that. You're welcome to make one, Kevin, if you like- and maybe I'll put it up at the village pump lab to see what people think of it, because that's a much higher traffic page to get feedback on. {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 06:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Two Awards Needed for Essay Think Think Project

I am looking for two awards made to honor contribution of essays and other such writings which pertain to WikiProject Military History. These writings posted in this working group: Strategy Think Tank Group.

===Essays/Writings Barnstar===

This would be an ordinary barnstar meant to recognize contributions to the Strategy Think Tank's Essay and Policy division. I'll leave the what the barnstar actually looks like up to you with just the following caveat:The award shouldn't look too ostentatious.

===Order of the Quill Award===

This award is meant to honor consistent and exceptional contributions to written discussion and debate concerning the MILHIST project. The two elements I would like to have in this award are this: 1) a quill or some other sort of writing implement and 2) an hourglass with majority of its sand in the top half of the glass (its meant to represent the future).

If you are willing to help me out with this request I would be greatly appreciative. Please feel free to contact me either via my talk page or via email (my address is on my user page). LeonidasSpartan (talk) 15:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Can you just make one for the entire MILHIST project? We don't like creating barnstars that are used once every five years, believe it or not. Kayau Voting IS evil 06:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Crat barnstar

Is there something similar to the admin's barnstar but for bureaucrats? -- œ ^™ 10:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Why, do they need one? (j/k) ;-) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:42, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Bwilkins. Crats are also admins; I will have no problem with giving them an admin barnstar for the bureaucrat actions. Kayau Voting IS evil 10:53, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Well noone needs a barnstar but I'm sure they'd appreciate one. Some 'crats like Xeno are doing some outstanding crat work (kraftwerk? ;) and deserve some recognition. -- œ ^™ 05:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, in that case, just send him some lyrics/sheetmusic LOL (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Should one award oneself barnstars?

I have encountered a user with a large collection of barnstars on his user page. It turns out he awarded all but one of them to himself. Is there a policy or guideline on this sort of thing? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:27, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Typically, one does not give themself an award. However, one can always head down to the trophy shop downtown and buy one, so ... hmmmph. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

One should not award themselves barnstars. Then again it's not forbidden. Just like one can always head down to the trop... — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 12:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

LOL ... if the OP wants to let me know who it is, I'll drop a friendly notification/chat ... (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 13:42, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

If there's no official policy, then there's nothing really to notify about. Since it's pretty clear to all who view his user page that he awarded the barnstars himself, he suffers his own embarrassment. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

It's not uncommon for a nudge actually - it's been done many times before, and I would be happy to politely do so. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 14:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

A barnstar is just for fun, and has nothing to do with the project. Like userboxes. So I added some. Whoop-dee. It's fun stuff that certainly harms no one. Come on, guys, don't be so damn serious all the time! — Timneu22 · talk 14:54, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Just like Bowling trophies and Nobel Prizes, Barntars are earned ... it's a little unethical and deceitful to just give them to yourself because you think you deserve them. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 16:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

There's no deceit. If I intended to deceive, I wouldn't have used my own username on them and I wouldn't have made this obvious edit. Come on, lighten up. I'm just a guy who is happy with his contributions. Goodness. Surely there are vandals and other more important issues to get to. — Timneu22 · talk 16:19, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

If a duck wants to walk around calling themselves a goose, that's their prerogative - but it doesn't mean the other ducks won't laugh at them. Leave it alone, imo. –xeno^talk 16:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
*points at duck calling itself a goose and laughs his effing ass off* (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 16:25, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Awesome. Based on my edit summary, it should be obvious that I'm laughing with you. — Timneu22 · talk 16:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Archive 13#Displaying an unearned award. Kayau Voting IS evil 05:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

The Bot's Barnstar of Excellence

For bots that always beat us humans... *cough*ClueBot*cough* but yeah it'd be nice to be able to thank the bot and their makers for the wonderful work they do :D Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 05:07, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

There's usual {{The da Vinci Barnstar}} for technology; bot-page File:Motor oil.jpg; weird {{The Bot Builder Award}}. Although there is no real bot-specific barnstar for authors. It usually ends up pointing to Da Vince star. Any idea what it should look like?— HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 07:30, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Proposed before, failed, and the user who proposed it has db-authored it. Kayau Voting IS evil 09:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

There's also the half barnstar. Simply give one half to the bot, and give the other half to the owner. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 14:35, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I am aware of the existance of said barnstars but I was hoping for a barnstar specifically for bot/bot owners that recognise their tireless work. Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 11:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Long-term service barnstar

Here's another idea, I know there's already service awards but these are usually self-awarded. There should be a barnstar available for others to show appreciation to "wiki-veterans" who have been actively editing for x many years. And unlike the service awards, this barnstar would be based strictly on length of service, excluding number of edits. -- œ ^™ 17:26, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I think there is a similar system over at zhwiki, though I am not a regular editor there and don't know the name. Question: Will that fall into the PUA category or will it become a category of itself? Kayau Voting IS evil 01:25, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

New versions of barnstars

I am not particularly fond of the idea of uploading a new version of a barnstar when we tweak them, instead of using a separate file and updating the template. This is because of several reasons:

Some people who had awarded it before may not like the new barnstar;
Other language WPs who also use the same barnstar will be surprised (or angry) at finding their barnstars changed (assuming the barnstar is on the commons);
It creates extra work.

Kayau Voting IS evil 04:22, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

{{The Copyeditor's Barnstar}} image was updated about 3 weeks ago, with a larger change to it. I has 660 en links to it, and I am unaware of any discussion/opposition afterwards. If anything, users should be positively surprised (judging by the supports they got) about the refreshed look, because the content has not changed. And what extra work are you referring to except for mine? — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 08:34, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, only yours, about the extra work. :) Consensus on enwiki does not necessarily mean consensus on other projects as well. Imagine someone on zhwiki waking up to see that his copyediting barnstar has, magically changed! And look! that brush looks horrible! And look at that hideous line ! Urgh! (Just kidding) Also remember that while a majority of enwiki users are from the states, the tastes of different people from different places can be significantly different. Maybe some people hate brushes that look like the current one. Kayau Voting IS evil 10:15, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

It is easy for local projects to upload an old local version if they feel like we've monopolized consensus-making. And I think more people would hate the previous brush than the current one. :) Regarding tastes and regions, I suspect there is much more controversy about World War, Jewish and such barnstars than there will ever be about a house broom. I mean I'm from post-USSR country and stars like Order-of-the-Red-Star.jpg or WWFlagsBarnstar.jpg are what cause "controversy"; I don't think there will ever be any significant offense to anyone about the changes proposed here. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 10:44, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

If many local projects dislike the new barnstar, then won't that create lots of extra work? Kayau Voting IS evil 13:20, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

For that matter, if someone reverts the upload of the new image we can always upload it under a new name and adjust our templates. I don't know if other wikis use something like WP:BRD, but this seems like a straightforward case. Anomie ⚔ 14:54, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I shall just work on barnstars further and assume we are between the B and R part of BRD and hope R gets stuck in traffic forever.— HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 15:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

For them who help

I suggest we should create a barnstar for those who welcome new users tirelessly. I don't know how to create barnstars, so help me. Actually this idea came to me when I came to the welcoming committee.

I also suggest to create a Polite User Barnstar, for those who always talk very politely to users at their talk pages. Ideas by,--Sainsf<^> (talk) 09:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

For the first one, there is already a discussion a few sections up. Kayau Voting IS evil 10:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikiproject Barnstar Award Request

Hi! Wikipedia:WikiProject Cryptozoology Needs a barnstar with an engraved Okapi in the middle to give to users who make great contributions to Cryptozoology articles. Unfortunately, I do not have the time or experience to write the code required. Any help?--Gniniv (talk) 06:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)