Category talk:NCAA Division I FBS independents football records templates
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Change Ind template names from appended "records" to appended "standings"[edit]
Stimpulated these aren't conferences, so that's likely the origin of appending the word "records" in this Cat, ala:
- Template:189x college football independents records
- Template:195x NCAA independents football records
- Template:196x NCAA University Division independents football records
- Template:198x Division I-A independents football records
- Template:20xx Division I FBS independents football records
All the actual conference (ACC, BigTen, Pac-12, SEC) template names append with "standings". So Independents are different.
I see maintenance upside in creating consistency with conference templates. The only negligible downside is the word "standings" will then render on the team pages, such as seen in 2016 Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team.
However, that changes doesn't introduce any meaningful issue, as many RS site already display the word "standings":
"FBS Independents Football Standings - 2016"
"2016 College Football Standings: Independents (FBS)"
"FBS INDEPENDENTS"
"Independents (FBS) Conference Standings"
Thoughts? UW Dawgs (talk) 00:46, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Agree with your proposal. I've always thought it was strange to have a "ranking" of independent teams when there isn't really anything that goes along with it. I don't think the RSs you list are an issue. They are just tables whose naming follows the coding of the conference standings. If the RSs were referring to independent schools "standings" in prose, then I would feel differently.
- I don't understand your comment Notre Dame rendering the word "standings" though. I don't see anything weird on the page. — X96lee15 (talk) 18:12, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- UW Dawgs, these independent templates were originally titled "standings" like the others, but were renamed in 2012 after a discussion. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Archive 12#Templates for Division I FBS independents football standings. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:41, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
consistent naming conventions including re NCAA[edit]
Note, we now have stubs for all seasons except 1924-1949.
We currently and generally name these template in the "Template:YEAR CONTEXT football records" format, but there are some irregularities.
National Collegiate Athletic Association gives us "...at a follow-on meeting on December 28, 1905 in New York, 62 higher-education institutions became charter members of the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States (IAAUS).[1] The IAAUS was officially established on March 31, 1906, and took its present name, the NCAA, in 1910.[1]"
Therefore we could rename (ignoring "records" vs "standings" thread, above) as:
- Template:1906 IAAUS independents football records
- Template:1907 IAAUS independents football records
- Template:1908 IAAUS independents football records
- Template:1909 IAAUS independents football records
- Template:1910 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1911 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1912 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1913 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1914 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1915 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1916 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1917 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1918 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1919 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1920 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1921 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1922 NCAA independents football records
- Template:1923 NCAA independents football records
While 62 is many and possibly "all," I suppose we might later discover a few teams which weren't part of IAAUS/NCAA for a given season(s). Those teams can be addressed at that time either via a separate template or with a footer note in the above templates as necessary.
Next, the 1892 college football season appears to mark the first conference (Western Interstate University Football Association). So 1891 and prior doesn't need an "independent" callout and can be left as-is ("Template:18xx college football records" format). But 1892-1905 could be renamed to conform with the rest of the Cat:
- Template:1892 college independents football records
- Template:1893 college independents football records
- Template:1894 college independents football records
- Template:1895 college independents football records
- Template:1896 college independents football records
- Template:1897 college independents football records
- Template:1898 college independents football records
- Template:1899 college independents football records
- Template:1900 college independents football records
- Template:1901 college independents football records
- Template:1902 college independents football records
- Template:1903 college independents football records
- Template:1904 college independents football records
- Template:1905 college independents football records
Thoughts? UW Dawgs (talk) 18:03, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- Template:1906 IAAUS independents football records
- Template:1907 IAAUS independents football records
- Template:1908 IAAUS independents football records
- Template:1909 IAAUS independents football records
- Have been renamed per above, with "NCAA" to follow. I suspect some teams not part of IAAUS/NCAA are currently included in these standings. Renaming might drive such discovery. Any fallout is easily resolved by creation of "190X college football independents records" for non-IAAUS/NCAA teams. There is a project-wide gap on quantifying IAAUS/NCAA membership. So this is an incremental step forward. UW Dawgs (talk) 20:00, 27 January 2018 (UTC)