Draft talk:Neshe

Dear @Cabrils,

Thank you for your review and especially for the links ans guidance you provided.

I checked the references, fixed some of them that were in the wrong place, removed the ones that did not follow the guidelines (not self published, not blacklisted, not press releases the ones containing interviews with the artist). In case that there are other references that you consider not following the guidelines, please point me to them and I will either clarify if there is some misunderstanding, or remove them.

None of the sources left should be from blogs, company websites or social media (Twitter, YouTube etc...). They are mainly from magazines and newspapers specialized in showbiz and music.

Regarding your comment regarding the conflict of interest, I don't charge anything by creating this page. I wanted to learn about creating and publishing a Wikipedia page (this is my first wiki page from scratch), and I can assure you that nobody would pay an amateur to do such thing without having proofs of previous contributions. I like her music, I realized that there is no info on her on Wikipedia, and I wanted to add publicly available information similarly as other artists of her relevance have today.

I did get in contact with her to obtain her permission for creating such page and in particular for using her photo. If you need a written proof that the photo can be used, let me know and I can request that.

Regarding the WP:MUSICBIO criteria, I would say that she fulfills the following criteria:

Criteria 1 - As can be seen in the references we kept. Her work was published in important magazines, that are normally independent from the musicians, and not self-published, as those normally have a publishing director / editor who approves author's work before publishing.

Criteria 2 - The song Bingo entered top 100 (place 80) according to Telif Metre (Turkish Copyright meter) data within the first week of it's release.

Criteria 11 - The song Hijo de la Noche was played during several months on Pal Station, Metro FM (and others) in Turkey. The song was also played during some time on Canal RCN in Colombia where it had a very good reception. Bingo on the other hand was played on several national radios stations in Turkey (Metro FM, Canal). I hope that now the page is more consistent and compliant with the Wikipedia rules. Otherwise let me know what else doesn´t fit.

Regards, GlobalMusicFan (talk) 23:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

@GlobalMusicFan Thanks for all this, good work.

Re use of image: Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously so yes you will need to provide written permission from the copyright holder (and that may not necessarily be Neshe, but instead could be the photographer, you will need to find this out and confirm it in writing). For exactly what is required please see WP:UPIMAGE.

Re WP:MUSICBIO: could you please be more specific, and include references to exactly each point you make. I do not speak Turkish but from what I can see, the sources appear of very low quality publications and/or very unsubstantial coverage (see WP:ROTM), a long way from reliable sources. The points you make for Criteria 1, 2 and 11 require evidence from reliable sources. For example, where is the reliable source/s evidencing "The song Bingo entered top 100 (place 80) according to Telif Metre (Turkish Copyright meter) data within the first week of it's release"? Please include a link to the source so we can verify it.

Her awards may be sufficient to meet WP:MUSICBIO but the draft requires reliable sources evidencing these awards.

I hope this helps and encourage you to persevere, the draft has potential! Cabrils (talk) 00:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)