Draft talk:The True School

Expanding on this stub

Here's what I've found on this album and the Chains single in a quick web search. IMHO the Audio Culture article establishes notability, as do the RNZ and NZ Herald article;

Danylstrype (talk) 14:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@I dream of horses To my mind, both the album and notable single being Top 40 hits, and the discussion on them on AudioCulture makes them more than notable enough to have a basic Wikipedia article. The articles in RNZ and the NZ Herald only add weight to that.

So I have to ask why unpublish this article within minutes of its creation, instead of putting a stub notice on it, questioning notability? Maybe give me at least 24 hours to respond to your concerns. Also, on which WP standard of notability for musical albums are you basing your decision? There are hundreds of rock albums by white US artist with their own WP article. What makes those more notable than this hip hop album by a collective of Māori and Pasifika musicians from Aotearoa? Danylstrype (talk) 12:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Danylstrype I'm using the standard of "sources need to exist for something to be notable." This has nothing to do with me being racist, and everything to do with the fact that there are multiple articles on albums that are poorly sourced largely because of fans insisting on it. I've nominated albums by white US artists for deletion in the past. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 17:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@I dream of horses I'm sorry that my attempt to word this as a neutral invitation to reflect - not an accusation - was unsuccessful. Implicit bias can affect decisions made by anyone, even those of us with deep anti-bigotry convictions. I once had to recreate the article for Mozilla co-founder Tara Hernandez, which had been deleted for lack of notability, rather than just flagged as needing more sources. The article is still there, so she is notable enough to justify an article, and regardless of the conscious motivations of the deletionist - which may have been impeccable - their decision could have a disproportionately negative impact on WP coverage of women/ Latin Americans in open source, if not corrected.

"I'm using the standard of "sources need to exist for something to be notable". Notability is one of the most misunderstood policies among WP editors. "Simply having no references on the page may not be grounds for deletion; you will have to demonstrate that none can ever likely be found" - - Arguments to Make in Deletion Discussions. My stub article established baseline notability as I indicated. The AudioCulture site is a canonical references for notable Aotearoa/NZ music, with a strict inclusion policy, and a quick skim of the linked page there shows that many more refences are available. This is why I asked a number of more specific questions, including; "on which WP standard of notability for musical albums are you basing your decision?". If you're not going to undo your unpublishing of this article, I'd appreciate specific answers to these questions, so that I know exactly what I need to do to get this article restored.

Danylstrype (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]