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PrimeHunter[edit]
Do we really link something like Notes: User:PrimeHunter (Talk) provided the code. Ask him for help.
on a help page? I have never seen something like that before. I regret reverting you, Timeshifter: I thought that you had added the information for the first time, not reinstating something that had been longstanding. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 19:04, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- Why not? It is a help page. Linking to experts is some of the best possible help. Table help is some of the most complex help there is on Wikipedia. So I am not surprised you have not seen it before on other help pages. That link to PrimeHunter has been there for years. And just because you haven't seen something before is no reason to delete it. Not if you don't have a guideline to back it up. --Timeshifter (talk) 19:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- The problem I see with the note is there are more appropriate places to ask for help (e.g. WP:VPT). HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 03:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing stopping people from asking there. But it is not "more appropriate". Experts save time. They sometimes understand the history of the issue. VPT is not always helpful, and can be slow, or even useless, depending on your luck on whether an expert on a particular issue happens to be watching VPT. And if you want help in creating a similar find-and-replace with regex, then an expert who has created several of them already for tables, is invaluable. --Timeshifter (talk) 13:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- It is more appropriate to ask at VPT, so that anyone can help. It is a fairly simple regex, so it is not like only PrimeHunter knows what to do. I will also note that at the time of this comment, PrimeHunter is the most recent person to edit VPT, and his last five edits are to VPT. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- OK. Knowing about more help opportunities is better. I added "Or ask at WP:VPT." I just assumed people knew they could ask there too if needed. But newbies may not know. But it is not "more appropriate" to ask for help one way versus another. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think the easiest way to resolve this dispute is to ask @PrimeHunter if he wants this invitation to ask him personally, or would rather editors ask at VPT. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 19:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Why are you wasting everybody's time with this? It's been there for years. And editors don't have to choose between one or the other. They now have both choices. They always had both choices. But now even newbies who don't know about WP:VPT know about that choice. Do you have something against providing more help opportunities on a help page? --Timeshifter (talk) 21:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think people are better served by asking a wide variety of experts, as opposed to picking one and waiting for him to respond. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if that's your choice for yourself, then fine. Please stop trying to impose your choice on others. --Timeshifter (talk) 23:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- The regex was made for a specific article and the wikitext used there. Regex is very sensitive to the precise way wikitext is written and my regex was not designed to be likely to work on random tables. I didn't suggest it to be added here and nobody has asked me for help about it. I would probably answer quickly if it happened but it does appear odd to mention me in that way. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:27, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- PrimeHunter. I've asked you about other stuff just because your username is mentioned on the table help pages. So since I remember your username, if I see you involved in a VPT discussion, then I know that asking you questions will be productive.
- You are linked from here too:
- Help:Tables and locations#Add flags. Link countries, states, etc. in tables. I, and others, have used that regex info many times. So thanks.
- I count 7 uses of regular expressions described in the 6 main table help pages. So it is good to have more ways to get regex help.
- --Timeshifter (talk) 20:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- The regex was made for a specific article and the wikitext used there. Regex is very sensitive to the precise way wikitext is written and my regex was not designed to be likely to work on random tables. I didn't suggest it to be added here and nobody has asked me for help about it. I would probably answer quickly if it happened but it does appear odd to mention me in that way. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:27, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if that's your choice for yourself, then fine. Please stop trying to impose your choice on others. --Timeshifter (talk) 23:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think people are better served by asking a wide variety of experts, as opposed to picking one and waiting for him to respond. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Why are you wasting everybody's time with this? It's been there for years. And editors don't have to choose between one or the other. They now have both choices. They always had both choices. But now even newbies who don't know about WP:VPT know about that choice. Do you have something against providing more help opportunities on a help page? --Timeshifter (talk) 21:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think the easiest way to resolve this dispute is to ask @PrimeHunter if he wants this invitation to ask him personally, or would rather editors ask at VPT. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 19:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- OK. Knowing about more help opportunities is better. I added "Or ask at WP:VPT." I just assumed people knew they could ask there too if needed. But newbies may not know. But it is not "more appropriate" to ask for help one way versus another. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- It is more appropriate to ask at VPT, so that anyone can help. It is a fairly simple regex, so it is not like only PrimeHunter knows what to do. I will also note that at the time of this comment, PrimeHunter is the most recent person to edit VPT, and his last five edits are to VPT. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing stopping people from asking there. But it is not "more appropriate". Experts save time. They sometimes understand the history of the issue. VPT is not always helpful, and can be slow, or even useless, depending on your luck on whether an expert on a particular issue happens to be watching VPT. And if you want help in creating a similar find-and-replace with regex, then an expert who has created several of them already for tables, is invaluable. --Timeshifter (talk) 13:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- The problem I see with the note is there are more appropriate places to ask for help (e.g. WP:VPT). HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 03:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)