Talk:Óscar Fernández (footballer, born 1995)

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Sports and Games

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	Sports portal This article is supported by the sports and games work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Football: Spain Low‑importance

	Association football portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Football, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Association football on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FootballWikipedia:WikiProject FootballTemplate:WikiProject Footballfootball articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Spanish football task force (assessed as Low-importance).

Spain

	Spain portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Spain, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Spain on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SpainWikipedia:WikiProject SpainTemplate:WikiProject SpainSpain articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Requested move 4 November 2020[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result is: Óscar Fernández González is moved to Óscar Fernández (footballer, born 1995), and Óscar Fernández Monroy to Óscar Fernández (Mexican footballer). After much-extended time for discussion, there is a clear consensus that the current titles should be changed, and an absence of clear consensus as to the appropriate move targets. There is no reason to expect that further discussion will un-knot the latter morass. The potential ambiguity of "Spanish" as a national disambiguator for one subject favors a date disambiguator for that subject. BD2412 T 05:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

– WP:COMMONNAME for both footballers is just "Óscar Fernández" without maternal surname. Disambiguate to standard for footballers.

Sources for first footballer: 1, 2, 3, 4, [https://www.adalcorcon.com/noticia/oscar-fernandez-ficha-por-la-a-d-alcorcon-y-jugara-cedido-en-el-cf-fuenlabrada-la-proxima-temporada 5 - pretty much all.

For second footballer: 1, 2, 3, 4. Ortizesp (talk) 14:19, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. No maternal surnames. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Disambiguating: "Years of birth and death are not normally used as disambiguators (readers are more likely to be seeking this information than to already know it)". Years of birth are only used when there is no other reasonable disambiguator, such as when people of the same name have the same profession and nationality. Nationality is a standard disambiguator for soccer players per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)#Association football (soccer). Searchers are more likely to know the nationality rather than the maternal surname or birth year. DrKay (talk) 08:22, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Also Support the alternative, Óscar Fernández González → Óscar Fernández (Spanish footballer), Óscar Fernández Monroy → Óscar Fernández (Mexican footballer).--Ortizesp (talk) 14:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 15:24, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per original nomination; despite what DrKay continue to repeatedly, falsely claim about Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)#Association football (soccer) (which in any event places year of birth on equal footing with nationality and position as possible options), in practice standard disambiguation for footballers is year of birth. I see no reason as to why these articles should be any different. Giant Snowman 15:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stop harassing me please. You were warned before about personal attacks and making another one is beyond the pale. There is nowhere, literally nowhere, on this page that I have made any false claim about Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)#Association football (soccer). DrKay (talk) 17:42, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support this one only. There's another Spanish footballer at the disambiguation page Óscar Fernández. It's a redlink and a minor MOS:DAB infraction, but it is linked from two mainspace articles. The Spanish Óscar Fernández (football manager) was apparently never a player, but that's unusual enough in the footballing world that there's potential for confusion. I support moving Óscar Fernández Monroy to Óscar Fernández (Mexican footballer) as the most WP:NCPDAB-compliant option, with no other Mexican footballers to disambiguate against. --BDD (talk) 20:14, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.