Talk:Švenčionėliai
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Number of Jewish deaths[edit]
I just stumbled upon pl wiki article about the massacre: pl:Zbrodnia w Nowych Święcianach (while reviewing pl:Kategoria:Zbrodnie kolaborantów i nacjonalistów litewskich which does not have an English equivalent yet). It cited a recent academic book that gives the number of dead as ~3.5k. Should we correct this? Is the source used here reliable? And should the massacre have a dedicated sub-article? Ping User:Icewhiz. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:23, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- I am unsure of the website used as a source here on enwiki - it might however be reliable (seems proffesional, not familiar with it). I can say that for shootings in Lithuania there are for some sites a fairly large variance of estimates - as Jews were driven, in some cases via a few stops (and October is late in the process...) - making precise estimates difficult (and not all reports are precise or complete). As for standalone - if you develop it, then it probably would pass notability - I have recently preferred to do "Holocaust in X" articles to cover more than just the shooting - this also helps with victim numbers as in Lithuania there are generally good pre-war population estimates and survivor estimates (very low usually) - but exact killing spots and dates can vary and/or be unknown. Some killing sites were used for multiple shootings - also muddling estimates (e.g. total for a site vs. a particular event). Icewhiz (talk) 13:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Piotrus: The figure of 8000 to 9000 deaths came from Soviet exhumations in November 1944. The Jäger Report counted 3,726 murders. IMHO, the Soviet report is likely exaggerated and the Jäger Report more accurate, but the 8k figure is widely cited across the internet, including the Holocaust Atlas of Lithuania. Renata (talk) 00:42, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
- It may be a good idea to attribute estimates with dates? Then the reader would know that the newest estimate has been revised. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:58, 1 September 2019 (UTC)