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Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:39, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Promo single or Single?

I ask because why would she film a video for a promo single 3 months after it was released? Surely it is an official single now? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't released for radio or CD. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:46, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Because of the statement in the source below (http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/news/watch-11-video-premiere-tonight-e) we can now close this issue. I Help, When I Can.[12] 15:01, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Calvin, Beyonce has videos for nearly still songs and YES, i have written SONGS ant NOT SINGLES. Read, the background section, you will understand why it is not a single. If not, feel free to tell me. I will give you very reliable links. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:18, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Jivesh, I'm not saying that I don't believe you or what you have written. I just wanted to know why she filmed a video for a promo single (as it says in the Info box) 3 months after it was released and after 4 was released 2 months ago. That's why I asked if it has been released as the third official single. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 15:30, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
But Calvin, we cannot decide for her. She filmed it because as she said, the videos will "will tell the story of 4", meaning there will be videos for all songs on 4. And see her articles classified as "other songs" in her single template. She has videos for all of them. I think she loves doing videos. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:37, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm not saying that we are deciding for her. I just thought that it was strange to shoot a video for a song which was released 3 months previous and isn't impacting charts, so I assumed that it was going to be released as an official single. What I am saying just isn't being understood, I don't know how else to plainly say it. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 15:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Why the hell is there argument? Drop the issue! I Help, When I Can.[12] 15:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
There isn't an argument? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 15:51, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
There is no argument. I was just explaining it to Calvin. In fact, we are both very good friends. Lol. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:00, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Not to forget

Another artist has covered the song. Tiffany Evans. There is a source at Rap-Up. Jivesh • Talk2Me 09:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Music Video

The "1+1" video is the story of love at its best. It's about commitment and fulfillment and it's Beyoncé at her most beautiful. The video experiments with psychedelic visual effects and innovative lighting that gives the clip a cinematic feel. "1+1," which Beyoncé first performed on the season finale of American Idol, is not an official single but it's the first song on the album and it's the first of many videos which will be released to visually tell the story of 4. The dress rehearsal clip backstage at AI, "Pregame" became an instant viral hit as soon as it hit the web. http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/news/watch-11-video-premiere-tonight-e — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.195.60 (talk) 23:31, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Let's wait 'till it's up on the web, around 8PM EST. This is the only source I found about this topic, so I think it's better to wait. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:34, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I just want to inform you all that a singer's official website can be used for such things. But you cannot use it to inflate sales and add certifications. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:03, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Should I add these in reception part: PopCrush and Idolator. I know that they aren't highly reliable. My love is love (talk) 11:11, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
You may use them for reviews and composition unless you want to make an article a FA. For now, you can use them. I assure you. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:19, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

External links

We use links that are directly related to the song. How is her official site related? It's related more to her than the song. I Help, When I Can.[12] 21:42, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Did you visit her official site lately? Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Just because the official site redirects to a splash page (1+1 video), doesn't mean we should really have it. I think the YouTube link will suffice. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I was talking about the 4 countdown. Jivesh • Talk2Me 11:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I guess it has been removed. Anyway, all Beyonce-related articles have that link. So should i go and remove it on all her pages then? Jivesh • Talk2Me 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
You should. External links should be directly related to a song in one way or another. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Now, since the 4 countdown material is more static than the little splash pages. I think that we could use them for the album article. I Help, When I Can.[12] 12:41, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

The word "track"

Why can't it be used? I Help, When I Can.[12] 12:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

On what instance? --Efe (talk) 13:36, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Bingo! --Efe (talk) 13:42, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I think this was mentioned in the first FAC of "Single Ladies". Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I found no such thing, in either of the FAC's. I Help, When I Can.[12] 23:30, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry. I cannot remember but i am sure i found it somewhere. Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Found or not found, what is the reason then? --Efe (talk) 14:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Henri-Georges Clouzot's "L'Enfer"

This may eventually become a news story. It's pretty obvious that she was "inspired" when creating this video as well. This is not an edit request, this is just me letting the editors of this page know that with the recent discussions surrounding "Countdown" it's likely that this may pick up steam. Or maybe not. Just putting it out there.--mikomango mwa! 16:59, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

With all respect i owe to you, there is not need to post such things. None of those sources are reliable. Moreover, they are all over one month old. Furthermore, did Beyonce raise her voice when everyone was imitating her SL choreography? Last but not the least, you cannot copyright dance moves. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 08:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)


With the utmost respect, the date of these links are not at issue here. What is at issue here is the "inspiration" behind these videos and the likelihood that they may be exposed. I did NOT ask for an edit request, I was merely bringing them to the attention of the editors, as it seems they had not been. Whether you choose to use them or not is entirely up to you. Because (according to your talk page) you see Beyonce as the Queen of all things who is incapable of a misstep, perhaps this does not make sense to you. I can only assume a more objective editor will understand my choice to bring this to everyone's attention. Furthermore, her SL choreography was an interpretation of the work of Bob Fosse and was not Beyonce's original work, just in case you didn't know. Again, I did NOT ask for an edit request, I was just bringing this to everyone's attention. These videos do not explore dance moves (I see you are still smarting from the "Countdown" video fiasco, I'm sure you hated having to report that on her Wiki page) but instead video treatments. You obviously did not click on any of the links. The Vimeo link is highly reliable and you know it (otherwise, the Youtube link of the Countdown video would not have been accepted so widely by many news outlets). You do NOT need to be disrespectful to me, I was merely bringing this to everyone's attention, not asking for an edit. Please take your over-zealous Beyonce defenses and poor attitude regarding any Beyonce-related topics elsewhere. If you do not find my post to be helpful, ignore it. Have a blessed and wonderful day.--mikomango mwa! 16:16, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
I present you my sincere apologies if you think i was too sensitive. My main concern here was how you put the word inspired between quotes and that's what websites do to show sarcasm sometimes. I never said you were asking for an edit. And yes, i admit i do not like the controversy "Countdown" received but at the end of the day, it is there on the article. Since the most reliable websites in the world are not over-exposing this ("1+1"), i do not see the need for Wikipedia to do so. I clicked the links. Vimeo is reliable indeed but if you click the link again, you will see there is no text there. It is two months old. If a video posted by YouTube (about "Countdown" controversy) gained coverage after only 30 minutes following the post, i cannot understand why this one will get coverage if nothing happened in two months. And you wrote so much about me. And what about you when it comes to Rihanna's articles, for instance: They were a bunch of Rihanna haters posing as seasoned and sensible editors Does this make you different from me? And wow, i am being disrespectful? I wonder what you will write when someone here will be really disrespectful to you someday. And thanks for these honorable labelings: your over-zealous Beyonce defenses and poor attitude... I am also not an objective editor from your point of view. That was all i needed to know whether you are a true friend or not. Finally, i saw your true colors. Better be late than never. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)


We are not on Wikipedia to find husbands, wives and people to officiate our weddings. We are here to edit and be civil. If you do not think the links are significant, then ignore them. Every other editor of this page has done the same, and the silence, to me, speaks volumes. That in itself lets me know that these links are wholly irrelevant. However, you deciding to tell me "there is no need to post such things" because "you cannot copyright dance moves" lets me know that you are entirely too personally connected to the subject matter to be able to speak about this objectively, and your attitude is completely unnecessary, since the links do not discuss dance moves or anything of the sort, but instead, video treatments. At the very least I thought someone may notice that the video treatments were a part of a longer, perhaps historical and/or teleological advancement in lighting and shading. Your personal attacks all over Beyonce articles or any time anyone mentions Beyonce anywhere on Wikipedia are just unnecessary and frankly, I'm tired of it. I do not run around policing Rihanna articles the way you run around policing Beyonce articles. If someone is just bringing something to our attention while not asking for an edit request in any way, and I don't think it's relevant, I just ignore it, I don't act a fool about it. Good day to you.--mikomango mwa! 18:07, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Personal attacks??? Goodbye!!! ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:09, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


You are totally biased and out of control!!! You had absolutely no reason to be disrespectful in the first place but I guess you always get your way that way! God be with you!--mikomango mwa! 22:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Why do you keep replying then? Don't you see you are wasting your own time, Mr Know It All. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 03:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Director's Cut

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Am i dreaming?

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Recognition

PMA’s 100 Best Songs of 2011 At number 01 - BEYONCÉ – “1+1″

Beyoncé has hits to spare. Her two biggest rank among the last decade’s best. Confetti cannons heralded her 2003 debut single “Crazy in Love,” and her arrival as a solo artist. Her dominance was undeniable by 2008, thanks to an inescapable anthem (do really I need to name it?) and its instantly iconic music video. “1+1,” the shiniest jewel in Beyoncé’s (not Sasha Fierce’s) tiara, was somehow met with a shrug. It reached #57 on the Billboard Hot 100. Time will no doubt rectify this injustice.

Oft-repeated comparisons to Sam Cooke and Prince are apt, but they miss the point. “1+1” is an achievement of Knowles’ own. Beyoncé may not know much about algebra, but taken together, the song’s 3/4-time arpeggios, tender strings, howling electric-guitar solo, and superb vocal performance yield a deeply affecting four-and-a-half minutes of pop balladry. That The-Dream gave this song away is insane, an example of artistic generosity (or maybe regret) on par with “Because the Night” and “Nothing Compares 2 U.”

Beyonce’s version, so far superior to The-Dream’s demo, only confirms her own talent. Its definitive version was taken backstage and was recorded on a phone. No sampled horns or elaborate choreography were needed: just a pop star with an insanely good song. Or better put: an artist with a classic.

http://prettymuchamazing.com/feature/best-songs-2011/3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.200.163 (talk) 12:56, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

DUMMY MAG - The 52 best songs of 2011 - 1. 1+1 - "Our favourite song of the year, Beyonce’s 1+1 is a terrific example of this – it surveys the past of black music with imperial majesty, referencing more-than-explicitly Sam Cooke’s Wonderful World and Prince’s Purple Reign, re-imagining both as a sumptuous love-until-the-end-of-days ballad." http://www.dummymag.com/lists/2011/12/19/the-52-best-songs-of-2011/

Composition

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:13, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:56, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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