Talk:1993 Football League Second Division play-off final

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Good article1993 Football League Second Division play-off final has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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May 26, 2021Good article nomineeListed
September 19, 2021Good topic candidatePromoted
January 24, 2024Good topic removal candidateDemoted
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 9, 2021.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Peter Swan became only the third Englishman to be sent off at Wembley Stadium when he was dismissed in the 1993 Second Division play-off final?
Current status: Good article

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 21:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Comments (and suggest these are implemented, in principle, in the other GAN)

  • "while the teams placed from" -> "while those placed from"
  • "table partook in play-off semi-finals; the winners of these semi-finals " -> "took part in play-offs; the winners of the play-off semi-finals..."
  • "West Brom had" stick with formal names or introduce nicknames.
  • Same for Vale.
  • Link referee in lead.
  • "The pivotal point of the match" a bit OR.
  • Link sent off.
  • "goals difference" -> "goal difference" and link.
  • I would use the sports table module for the league, as seen in 1991 Football League Fourth Division play-off Final for example. Seems more accessible etc.
  • "the first leg was" -> "first match of the two-legged tie.
  • "Giant striker..." avoid such commentary.
  • Play-off semifinal reports seem to be unreferenced.
  • Done.EchetusXe 15:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "1992–93 season" I know it's red linked anyway, but put the "season" into the pipe.
  • "tally of namesake" not really requied.
  • "42,300 Baggies" don't use nicknames unless you explain them.
  • "Vale showing patience and possession" according to?
  • "a scissors kick" link.
  • "by Ian Taylor tipped" overlink.
  • "used his acrobatic skills" bit too commentatorish.
  • Link foul.
  • "dismissal" link.
  • "third Englishman" what about non-Englishmen?
    • The source didn't mention them.--EchetusXe 15:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "for the "Baggies" final goal" nickname
  • "from six yards" convert.
  • Could crop the Ardilles image so it doesn't leak down into the refs.
  • Done.EchetusXe 15:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • "£2 million" non-breaking space.
  • Done.--EchetusXe 15:56, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "afterwards... my" non-breaking space before the ellpsis.
  • Done.--EchetusXe 15:56, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "after barely surviving" can we be factual and explain what that really meant?
  • "Red carded Peter Swan" not necessary, not even sure this sentence is required.
  • I don't think www and .com are needed for websites.

THat's a first pass, I'll put it on hold while we deal with these and then do another run-through. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:22, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    • Okay thanks, I've taken a crack at that.--EchetusXe 15:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is good enough now for GA, I made a few cosmetic tweaks, so I'm happy to promote. I'll take a look at the other one of yours as well, perhaps you could pre-empt my review by considering some of the general points above on that article too? Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 06:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 08:19, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The Twin Towers of Wembley Stadium
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  • ... that Peter Swan became only the third Englishman to be sent off at Wembley Stadium when he was dismissed in the 1993 Second Division play-off final? Source: Swan, Peter; Collomosse, Andrew (2008). Swanny: Confessions of a Lower-League Legend. John Blake. ISBN 978-1-84454-660-2. Also repeated here: "My lowest point came in the Division Two Play-Off Final, when I became only the third Englishman to be sent off at Wembley Stadium; to this day it is one of the biggest regrets of my career."

Improved to Good Article status by EchetusXe (talk). Self-nominated at 14:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: —valereee (talk) 00:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EchetusXe, everything looks good except the hook interest, which I'm willing to AGF on, but can you explain why this is actually interesting? Is it unexpected that by 1993 only three Englishmen had been sent off at Wembley? Would we have expected many more to have been sent off? Are non-English more likely to have been? Could we maybe do an ALT around his being sent off being the turning point in the game? Also, are we concerned about a hook around this being too negative/BLP for the front page? Ping me when you respond or I might miss it! Quite busy IRL right now and I've completely lost control of my watchlist. —valereee (talk) 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Valereee Yes it's unexpected because it is/was the national stadium of the England team, also with significant domestic games played there. I think it would be unexpected for someone with an interest in the game. Looking at it deeper, the explanation would be that in the past it was extremely rare for a player to be sent off in a match, whereas now it's not an unusual event. This website lists red cards for England players, it shows 4 red cards (all in away matches) in England's first 615 games and 13 red cards in England most recent 256 games. As for it being negative, in the past (say 1950s) it would be a source of shame to be sent off, but nowadays it's accepted as a hazard of the job, so to speak. He seems to boasts about it in his autobiography. I hope that provides some insight, but the hook can still be changed if you think it should be.EchetusXe 13:27, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with both explanations! :) Just doing my due diligence. Good to go! —valereee (talk) 13:47, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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