Talk:1997 Football League Second Division play-off final

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1997 Football League Second Division play-off final has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
March 9, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
September 19, 2021	Good topic candidate	Promoted
January 24, 2024	Good topic removal candidate	Demoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 27, 2021. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Crewe Alexandra were promoted back to the second tier of English football for the first time in 101 years when they won the 1997 Football League Second Division play-off Final?
Current status: Good article

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 13:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Crewe Alexandra were promoted back to the second tier of English football for the first time in 101 years when they won the 1997 Football League Second Division play-off Final?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/After Us, or the World as it Might Be

5x expanded by The Rambling Man (talk). Self-nominated at 16:23, 2 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

New GAN that was recently expanded. I know little about soccer and even less about English football, but it sounds interesting, particularly to sports fans and history buffs. Passes the Earwig test. TJMSmith (talk) 03:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:1997 Football League Second Division play-off Final/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 06:04, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Caption?
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:51, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Route to the final

Why was ~~Crewe Alexandra F.C.~~ Bristol City F.C. in fifth place, and Crewe Alexandra F.C. in sixth, if both had the same number of points? Was there a tiebreaker?
Eh? I guess you mean Bristol and Crewe? No tiebreaker, their league positions (when tied on points) were determined on goal difference. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:51, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, my mistake. That's what I meant by a tiebreaker—not an extra game, just a numerical way of breaking the tie. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The visitors went ahead on three minutes through David Oldfield but Mark Rivers equalised for Crewe eight minutes into the second half. — Any details on the goals?
None. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:05, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The away side took the lead in the 13th minute through Paul Smith — Any details on the goal?
None. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:05, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Taylor scored midway through the half, however, and with eleven minutes remaining, Marcus Bent added a second — Any details on the goals?
None. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:05, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background

Here or in "Summary", the location of the match (Wembley Stadium) should be mentioned.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:51, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summary

Dele Adebola's shot hit the crossbar of the Brentford goal — Minute?
Added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:05, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Details" notes a number of yellow cards. Are any of the details of them worth mention in "Summary"?
There are no details in any sources available. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:05, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Details

The minute of the Tamer Fernandes-for-Kevin Dearden substitution isn't given. Also, worth mentioning the substitution in "Summary"?
Because he wasn't substituted. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:59, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, so he was just an available substitute. Any idea why if each team could only name three substitutes (as it appears), Brentford chose to name a goalie to one of these few spots? --Usernameunique (talk) 07:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Very common to name a goalkeeper in the subs, even when only three were allowed, as it's such a specialised position. Outfield players sometimes go in goal but it's usually a comedy moment... The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:46, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The hover-over text for the red card given to Brian Statham reads "Sent off (straight red)", while "Summary" says that it was simply a second yellow.
Fixed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:59, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Post-match

both he and Webb left the club — Why?
Added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:59, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
21st place in the Second Division and relegation to the Third Division — Might be worth adding that they were one place and two or three points away from sticking around. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:45, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

#2, 15 — Paid subscription not needed
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:51, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#12 — Can British Newspaper Archive sources be clipped for free access?
No. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:51, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#13 — Is this available on newspapers.com? If so, that would be more helpful, as it can be clipped for free access.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:51, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

The Rambling Man, comments above. --Usernameunique (talk) 06:04, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usernameunique all addressed and/or responded to. Cheers! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:05, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, three minor comments above, but nothing to hold this article up. Passing now. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:45, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]