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Traded picks[edit]

What picks in this year's draft come from trades? I know Phoenix gets Atlanta's top pick but I'm pretty sure there's a restriction on that. Can anyone add this info? Seems relevant enough. Sabar 18:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's some I found:
Phoenix has Atlanta's top first round pick as long as it isn't in the top 3.
Atlanta has Indiana's top pick as long as it isn't in the top 10.
Philly has Denver's top pick as long as it isn't number 1.
If anyone has any other relevant info, I think it's good until the actual draft starts. Sabar 18:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crystal Ball Policy[edit]

I was just wondering why you used the about.com mock draft instead of other mock drafts such as the one they have on NBADraft.net. 

   I don't think ranking players is POV, unless you give sources and look at more than one source.

These rankings are rediculous. Regardless though, these guys really shouldn't be ranked chronologically... an alphabetical list of top prospects would make this page far more objective.

P.S. James, Young, and Splitter are not top ten prospects.

Wikipedia trys to report what has happened, not what might happen. Please read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Rajah 03:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I removed the player ranking. As mentioned above, it's obviously not NPOV. Furthermore, there is no reference cited, nor does it even attempt to offer an explanation as to how the rankingers were made. Please do not add the player rankings unless you provide a reasonable explanation. 75.177.47.183 07:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It does say who did them and who didn't. Why is it POV? Also please don't keep on taking it out. It is against the Wikipedia policy WP:3RR RedSkunk 19:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, you added the comment while I was typing mines.
This is to anyone that wants to add any draft projections. Please read and comment before this article becomes a revert war.
1) You can't justify putting one single person's mock draft (say Chad Ford) and not anyone else's. If you put Ford's mock draft, you'll have to put NBAdraft.com's. If you put NBAdraft.com's, you'll have to put about.com's. You see where this is going? You can't favour one person's draft over another, because it'd be a violation of NPOV
2) You can't put a "consensus" draft either. A consensus means everyone agrees on it. Obviously, none of the mock drafts linked on the bottom agree. Thus, you can't have a consensus draft.
3) No player has declared for the draft. There are rumours that Kevin Durant may not even jump for the NBA. How can you put a list of players for the 2007 NBA draft when a player may not even be in it?
If you can invalidate all of my points, I will consent to having a list of draft projections. Until then, it stays off. 75.177.47.183 19:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And obviously, I did not violate WP:3RR. I have not made 3 reverts within a 24-hour period. Please read the rule carefully yourself before you make such accusations. 75.177.47.183 20:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not supposed to make predictions on anything. Looking at the article, I believe 75.177 is correct in removing the section. This is a mock draft made by an ESPN analyst, and by no means does this constitute what will be reality. Things can change, and we shouldn't be speculating. Nishkid64 23:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This list is not a mock draft. Its a ranking of the top ten talents in the upcoming draft. There is no prediction or any crystal ball kind of thing in it. Just analysing talent, done by a renowned expert of ESPN. --Bender235 23:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I misread that part. Okay, it's not a mock draft. However, this is one person's perspective. I suggest if you want to have any of this stuff, you should write it in prose, and say how different analysts rank these basketball players. Nishkid64 23:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, that won't work. And of course its a "one person's perspective". What else? If we mix player rankings of ten different analysts and writers, it would be original research, wouldn't it? --Bender235 00:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think you yourself just explained why the player projections should not belong on the page. You can't favour one person's perspective over another person's. 75.177.47.183 00:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Adding more sourced perspectives should remove any POV bias in the article. At WP:OR, it says that "The prohibition against original research limits the possibility of an editor presenting his or her own point of view in an article. By reinforcing the importance of including verifiable research produced by others, this policy promotes the inclusion of multiple points of view in an article. Consequently, this policy reinforces our NPOV policy. In many cases, there are multiple established views of any given topic. In such cases, no single position, no matter how well researched, is authoritative." Therefore, we shouldn't have any single point of view, even if this guy is the top analyst. We need some varying sourced perspectives. Nishkid64 00:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article is now unprotected, and I went ahead trying to find mock drafts and player rankings set up by experts. I had a hard time finding some actual expert rankings. Any help? Nishkid64 01:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It depends on what you mean by experts. In terms of actual employed staff writers, ESPN's Chad Ford may be the only one at the moment. That is not to say personal mock drafts aren't are just as frequently sourced...a simple google search [1] will show that writers for Sports Illustrated frequently cite NBAdraft.net, even though NBAdraft.net is not employed by anyone. In that sense, the writers for NBAdraft.net are considered to be just as good of an expert as Chad Ford. It's simply too early for any wide-circulating websites to start speculating for the draft, with no certainty of who's going to end up declaring. 75.177.47.183 03:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I saw two draft websites but I wasn't sure if you would consider those guys experts. Nishkid64 18:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just reverted some vandalism and deleted the whole "projected" draft since it is ALL crystalballism.--Thomas.macmillan 23:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable seniors section[edit]

The problem with this section is that there is no way to verify that they're notable and that they're "likely" draft candidates until they're actually picked. So a section about "likely" draft pick is going to inherently run afoul of WP:CRYSTAL, and a list of "notable" player, absent of any standard or official ranking, is inherently POV.

Speculation is speculation. And the NBADraft.net and draftexpress.com, while useful, are hit or miss, and they're no more (or less) reliable than Chad Ford or any other draft "expert". Anyway, there is already a discussion about mock drafts and such above. Better to keep the article about what has already happened or determined, rather than trying decide which website is better at guessing the future. --Ytny (talk) 18:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed Ytny. Mock Drafts should be avoided, in my opinion. I fought to keep them off the 2007 NFL Draft page, and will do so here. I am going to revert the list of "notable" seniors.--Thomas.macmillan 18:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft percentages are messed up[edit]

I'm not experienced enough to actually go in and edit, but the decimal places are either messed up or very confusing (I'd assume the former) in the chart of draft probabilities -- it makes it appear, e.g., that Boston had a 199% chance of ending up with the first pick (if only!). The percentages that (in reality) were >10% seem to be wrongly multiplied by a factor of 10, whereas those <10% seem fine. -Rob W — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.203.131 (talk) 04:48, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. I fixed that problem and the percentages are back to normal. --Jamo58 (talk) 10:35, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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