Talk:2012 Oikos University shooting

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Move article to Oikos University shooting

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2012 Oakland school shooting → Oikos University shooting – I think the article should be moved to Oikos University shooting (currently a redirect to Oikos University), in accordance with all the other university shootings which are named after the university they occurred at. Furthermore, the shooting happened at a university, not a school as the title currently suggests. (Lord Gøn (talk) 23:41, 2 April 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Probably makes sense.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 01:39, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done tedder (talk) 02:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NO mention of History of mental illness not covered in a timely fashion?

It's plausible that mental illness played a factor. One L. Goh had language barriers, debt, bullying, and family death contributing to his current mental state. Possibility not even hinted at by Wikipedia, CNN, BBC, and other popular news sources. Might be intuition, but it still could be correct.

Let's say it's later found out that One L. Goh had mental issues. Millions of people have already read the Wikipedia page. What does this say about Wikipedia's accuracy? How about Wikipedia's responsibility to pool information on current events from popular news sources?

A quote from Wikipedia on Secondary Sources "These secondary sources have advantages: The authors were not involved in the event, so they have the emotional distance that allows them to analyze the events dispassionately. They also have disadvantages: The authors are writing about what other people said happened and cannot use their own experience to correct any errors or omissions. The authors may be unable to see clearly through their own cultural lens, and the result may be that they unconsciously emphasize things important to their cultures and times, while overlooking things important to the actual actors."

Dhomstad —Preceding undated comment added 20:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a blog or news source, we cannot speculate on anything. If a reputable source publishes his mental state, then it can be added to the Wikipedia article. Karl 334 ^Talk-^-Contribs 20:55, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. We cannot mention mental illness in any context in the article, including as speculation, unless and until a reliable source itself at least speculates on it. WP:BLP (biographies of living persons) is very clear about this, and these rules apply just as much to alleged criminals as they do anyone else. I dont understand the secondary source quote. It doesnt apply to US. we are NOT a secondary source. Wikipedia can only be a source for WP policies, etc. The quote simply guides us to, in this case, make sure we dont exclusively quote Oakland residents, politicians, victims families, but that we quote news agencies. nothing new there. How could our speculation ever be determined to be unbiased in any way? since the editors here are generally anonymous, one could not even determine if an editor was a family member of Mr Goh's, or family of a victim, or a party in some matter related to the people and agencies involved? How do we know that you, Dhomstad, are not highly biased due to a personal connection? i honestly dont think you are, but we cannot establish any methodology to prove that your speculation is unbiased, due to the nature of our site.(mercurywoodrose)76.232.10.14 (talk) 01:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Look at how it played out. It happened exactly how I thought it would. See how the article reads now - Goh is alleged to have paranoid schizophrenia. The speculation that occurred was news sources claiming he had no history of mental illness (probably meant no published history, as it would be very difficult to hide symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia for over a decade). You guys ate it up and shat it out on a wikipedia page for millions of viewers (more truthfully, yours was a sin of omission). Now the real information is out. The problem - it took until January 2013 to have accurate information on the subject's mental health history. The issue is not having an opinion that is free from bias, as all opinions have bias, but having an opinion which lacks common sense. Karl_334 and IP address 76.232.10.14, it seems the combined lack of common sense in the wikipedia community has served only to propagate false truths. Dhomstad 12:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be here?

An editor added a link to the Va Tech shootings. This is already in the link to "List of school-related attacks" also referenced. Considering the reason listed on the edit^{http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oikos_University_shooting&diff=prev&oldid=485465651}, does this belong? Gtwfan52 (talk) 08:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the entry after restoring the VT description per WP:ALSO. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Age of One L. Goh

Is he age 42 or 43? The article states both. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:28, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

memorial garden

this is an interesting followup, may be appropriate for a sentence here: Hayward resident completes peace garden at Oikos University for shooting victims.User:Mercurywoodrose 99.37.159.165 (talk) 07:56, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

capture or fate of suspect???

I didn't see any mention of whether the suspect survived, was captured, was charged, or anything else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.4.236 (talk) 07:08, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Shouldn't the title have the word "murder" in it? Calling this the "Oikos University shooting" makes it sounds as if there was a shooting only, but no deaths. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:19, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]