Talk:2014 Boston Marathon

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Redundant linking[edit]

Not sure why the "Boston Marathon bombings" and "2013 Boston Marathon" mentions are being linked in each mention, which is not WMoS. I have removed the second, redundant links, again. If you feel a short article such as this needs to link everything twice, I'd ask you to explain why before reverting my changes again. Thanks. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 06:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I understand now. I have re-expanded and fixed it up per MOS. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 20:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Memorials[edit]

A big part of this Marathon will be memorials and tributes, so I've started gathering a few external articles for incorporation into this article:

I'm just adding these sources here for now, hopefully someone has the time to write up a good description for the article itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmandaRR123 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

AmandaRR123 (talk) 18:52, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"the first American male"[edit]

So, no Brazilians, Mexicans, Costa Ricans, Belizeans, Chileans... etc. I would put it as "the first U.S. American male" to clarify that he is a U.S. citizen, and not generally from the Americas. Just my two cents, and I'm not going to push on this because I am aware of the unfortunate habit of U.S.ians to assume that the U.S. are all of the Americas... mind, I didn't check whether there were any other Americans (North, Middle or South) who won the competition in the meantime; I'm protesting on general principles here. Stizzleswick (talk) 00:16, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One of the accepted definitions of American is someone from the U.S. This might not be fair but I don't make the rules, if you want to change it every-place (on wikipedia) you also better get a bot to do it. XFEM Skier (talk) 01:09, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would think we could use 'the first US citizen' or 'first US male runner' to win... MaynardClark (talk) 01:23, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

According to this he is the first he is the first of any citizen of any of the Americas since 1983 when a US citizen won: List_of_winners_of_the_Boston_Marathon Gr5555 (talk) 04:55, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, verify before we add it whatever we think we can say. A stronger claim (as you stated) requires stronger verification. We know (from many news reports) that Meb is a US citizen living in San Diego, CA, and that he migrated from Eritrea to the USA at the age of 12. That's more than we want to say, but if we want to say something about 'the Americas', we ought (I think) to have stronger evidence than one newspaper. You may have more documentation already. MaynardClark (talk) 04:59, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A quick search of athletes on wikipedia shows that US athletes are generally referred to as Americans and other non US athletes from the Americas are specified as their nationality. See Americans for more information about people being referred to as Americans. The way it was worded originally is correct. XFEM Skier (talk) 05:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That may be true at present. It's consistent with my experience in a global health and global development settings. We 'Americans' are called 'Americans' by everyone (else). But our conversations among oourselves may ask (ourselves) the question, 'should we originate a more fair, just, equitable way of labeling ourselves and our nationality?' MaynardClark (talk) 05:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well all that maters in factual encyclopedic writing and by wiki policy is what the current status is not what we think is should be. This is not the place to affect change, it is a place to write factually and using current sources American is the correct usage. Should there be a shift in how American is used in English then this and other articles would need to be changed. XFEM Skier (talk) 05:54, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Can we please stop with Spanish-speakers getting all uptight about "American"? The English usage is not going to magically change. Correctron (talk) 08:11, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all for answering; that was far more than I had imagined. I had not seriously meant to suggest that usage of the term "American" when referring to nationality be changed 'pedia-wide; that would be ludicrous, and I agree with Wikipedia policy on the usage as is. So, sorry to have caused a bit of an uproar; that was not my intention. Btw, @Correctron: Spanish is one of the languages I do not speak... ;) Stizzleswick (talk) 11:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures[edit]

In addition to the 4 pictures I already posted of the first place in each of 4 categories, I have 400 pictures I took from Wellesley - most importantly including I believe the top 10 or so athletes in all 4 categorees shown on the page (male/female/wheelchair). Does anyone think I should post more pictures? Or pictures of the crowds? Or pictures of FBI JTTF and NYPD (in Wellesley?!) or the strange bomb sniffing car (or whatever that thing was) Or 4 helicopters in formation? Gr5555 (talk) 04:47, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's far more photos than we 'normally' would upload to Wikimedia Commons. However, if there were a hosted site elsewhere, it could be linked. Any photos of the Wellesley coeds kissing the runners? The runners aren't all guys, you know. MaynardClark (talk) 04:49, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I meant I could add 1 more photo crowd shot. Or I could add 1 to 3 pictures of "beefed up security" related stuff. Gr5555 (talk) 13:55, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think uploading to commons under commons:Category:2014 Boston Marathon is good especially with good documentation, names of racers, whether they are added to the article or not. 02:28, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Done! I uploaded 8 more pictures including shots of 2nd and 3rd place winners in mens and womens categories, one crowd shot showing the Marathon when it is crowded with runners and fans and 2 shots related to increased security. All under commons:Category:2014 Boston Marathon Gr5555 (talk)

The article should include a picture r.e.: security, since it is a notable point this year, but at present, the article could only handle one more picture, due to its length. Recommend it be smallish (150–200px tops) and on the left hand side. Regards, GenQuest "Talk to Me" 16:57, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I added the security picture - I don't think the formatting looks great. It was even worse on the left side. I'm not so good at wiki markup I guess. Gr5555 (talk) 18:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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