Talk:2016–17 UEFA Europa League

Dinamo Minsk

should be in italics because they can still qualify for the Champions League if they win this year's Europa League? LICA98 (talk) 11:40, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. I have corrected it. Qed237 (talk) 13:14, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Cup Winners in qualification round 1

In the article it's assumed that cup winners from associations 27 and over will start in Q-round 1. Is there any source to the asumption that the three disappearing Fair Play-places will be handled by putting three CW-winners up til the Q-round 2?Lellobert (talk) 11:57, 2 January 2016 (UTC)Lellobert

The information is based on a circular, which has been sent to the member associations from UEFA. See this pdf that has been added to the yellow note in the article. Qed237 (talk) 12:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, missed that. Thanks! Lellobert (talk) 14:53, 2 January 2016 (UTC)Lellobert

No problem, it is good that you asked.Qed237 (talk) 14:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Round of 16 draw

UEL regulations 17.03 state: "The 16 winners of the round of 32 contest the round of 16, for which the pairings are determined by means of a draw."

No mention of any seeding, my understanding is that it's an open draw with no country protection and luck of the draw as to the order of legs (same as quarter-finals onward)... Chris0282 (talk) 22:43, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

I am not to sure about this, but from what I can read in the rulebook it would be the same for Round of 16 as for the quarter-finals. @Chanheigeorge: It was changed by you in this edit so maybe you have some more information? Qed237 (talk) 23:04, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Galatasaray excluded

See Talk:2016–17 UEFA Champions League#Galatasaray excluded. Qed237 (talk) 13:38, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Manchester City

Why have Manchester City been put into the third qualifying round? They probably won't even be in the Europa League next year. 86.21.213.147 (talk) 00:08, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Read the notes. They have qualified for third round as League Cup winners, but may still enter Champions League instead. Qed237 (talk) 11:34, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Dinamo Bucuresti

There has been a lot of editing (without sources) regarding Dinamo Bucuresti and we need to get clarity. Can someone take a look at articles I have found [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7] and see if any should be used as note? From what I understand, they did not recieve a license as they filed for insolvency last season, they appealed but the appeal was denied and they have now appeal to CAS. Previous seasons we have waited to change teams until final appeal has been denied (see Talk:2015–16 UEFA Europa League#Romania) and Kassiesa which we use as a source currently still has Dinamo. Qed237 (talk) 21:52, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@Chanheigeorge, LICA98, GAV80, and The Replicator: What do you think? I have not found anything official at frf.ro (official romanian football association), but have not looked much if anyone is interested to search. Qed237 (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237: If Dinamo is appealing to CAS and there's no official information from the Romanian FA, then I think we should wait. But as there are sources insisting on Dinamo's ineligibility, then a note (4 and/or 7) wouldn't hurt. The Replicator (talk) 22:42, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I also think we should wait until CAS makes a decision (maybe include a note about it for now), though I remember FC Rostov did not get a license from the Russian Football Union for the 2014–15 Europa League but then they appealed to CAS and got the license (IIRC that was right before the first round draw), but before that the article had Spartak Moscow instead of Rostov. LICA98 (talk) 09:19, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

@LICA98: I am guessing here but if the decision from CAS came right before the draw it is possible that UEFA had released a list of participants which included Spartak Moscow, and then we followed that official list. But at this point there is no official list, and it is best to keep Dinamo with a note. Qed237 (talk) 09:45, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237: so what are you going to write in the note then? LICA98 (talk) 10:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

@LICA98: I have to go through the articles above and see what information is relevant. But something about them not being given license as they filed for insolvency, but they have appealed to CAS. Qed237 (talk) 10:36, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2016

Europa League - teams from Romania Liga I, Panduri Targu Jiu(3rd, coeff. 7.076) - third qualifying round, Viitorul Constanta(5th, coeff.5.076) because Dinamo Bucuresti(4th and cup final) cannot qualify for Europa League because of insolvency of the club and because they don't have a license, appealed to CAS and CFR Cluj(cup final) insolvency problems and no license from UEFA so the CUP WINNER place will go to Dinamo if they receive license or to Viitorul if Dinamo cannot play, and first place from relegation round in the second qualify because ASA Targu Mures(6th) cannot qualify for Europa League - see Adjudicatory Chamber of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) decision from 31.03.2016 so the place from second qualify round will go to Viitorul if Dinamo receive license or to first place from relegation round if Dinamo cannot play Scortyro007 (talk) 16:30, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cameron11598 ^(Talk) 03:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Please read the section immediately above, could have saved you some time. Qed237 (talk) 09:43, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

The change i want to make are: Third qualifing round Europa League, Romania has 2 teams - Cup Winner and 3rd Liga I, but because the cup final is Dinamo Bucuresti - CFR Cluj and Dinamo has obtained Europa League place because of the 4rd Liga I place and CFR Cluj don't have a license to play in european league the place of the cup winner is past to the 4rd place Liga I who is Dinamo and to make a note that Dinamo has not have license but they have appealed to CAS for license. Second qualifing round Europa League, Romania has 1 place and because Dinamo is in third qualifing round the place is past to the 5th place of Liga I who is Viitorul Constanta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scortyro007 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

@Scortyro007: As I said, read the section above, Dinamo wont be removed until all appeals has been rejected. Qed237 (talk) 11:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Distribution depending on 2015-16 UEFA Europa League winner

The distribution presented in the article is wrong:

• the winners 2015-16 UEFA Europa League, they will qualify to 2016-17 UEFA Champions league (group stage)
• if Liverpool wins 2015-16 UEFA Europa League:
  • Liverpool qualifies to 2016-17 UCL
  • Sevilla qualifies to 2016-17 Europa League, depending on their performance in 2015-16 Copa del Rey
    • if Sevilla wins Copa del Rey, they will enter the group stage of Europa League
    • if Sevilla loses Copa del Rey, they will enter the third qualifying round
• if Sevilla wins 2015-16 UEFA Europa League:
  • Liverpool no longer qualifies to any European competition for 2016-17 season
  • Sevilla enter Uefa Champions League group stage (Copa del Rey result is no longer important)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Catalin.pol (talk • contribs)

@Catalin.pol: What in the information is wrong and needs to be changed? Qed237 (talk) 11:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237: You are right, the same information I was thinking about is already in the article (I was focusing on the fact that Sevilla's place would be vacated if they win UEL regardless of their Copa del Rey result, but this was already present in the article - I read it too fast and missed it). Should I delete this section from the talk page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catalin.pol (talk • contribs)

@Catalin.pol: No problem, it is easy to miss these things. And these sections should not be deleted as they are records of a discussion and it may help others with the same problems. If the talkpage gets very long sections could be archieved, but no reason to remove them. Qed237 (talk) 14:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Zira won't get a UEFA licence

Probably Zira FK will not granted a UEFA licence because this club doesn't exist at least 3 years. So Kapaz, Gabala and Neftchi Baku (finalist of domestic cup because Qarabag qualified for UEFA Champions league second qualifying round) will participate in the first qualifying round of this competition and Inter Baku is banned by UEFA. --37.152.18.35 (talk) 09:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Do you have any source for this? Qed237 (talk) 11:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Please, but in Russian [8]. --37.152.18.35 (talk) 12:36, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Zira has now been removed with a note explaining the situation for Azerbaijan. Qed237 (talk) 12:56, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Spain

The two Copa Del Roy finalists (Barcelona and Sevilla) have both qualified for the Champions League so the berth for that isn't needed and Celta Vigo will enter at the group stage, but that leaves an empty berth in the third qualifying round. Anyone know who moves up to that? Skteosk (talk) 15:57, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Oh wait, just seen the Distribution section explaining this. I guess with everything still up in the air it's hard to edit the table although it still looks somewhat out of date having a berth there that we know won't be needed. Should a note be added? Skteosk (talk) 16:02, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Redistribution of places and Spain

As one of the top three associations in the UEFA coefficient rankings, the Spanish FA should have had three spots in this year's Europa League. One group stage spot for the cup winner, one group stage spot for the fifth-placed team in the league and one third-qualifying round spot for the sixth-placed team in the league. However, the Spanish cup winner qualified for the Champions League so that Europa League spot was handed down to the league. The first four teams from the Spanish league qualified for the Champions league so the cup winner's spot was handed to fifth-placed Athletic de Bilbao. The fifth-placed team's spot was then handed to sixth-placed Celta de Vigo. So this meant that the third qualifying round spot for the sixth-placed team would have been handed down to seventh-placed Sevilla. Since Sevilla had already qualified for the Champions League it should have been handed down to eight-placed Malaga. This is similar to both Hertha BSC and West Ham receiving a third qualifying round spot while finished their leagues seventh. So why didn't Malaga receive that spot then? And what happened to it? Surely it was redistributed to an other FA in order the keep the total number of teams at 188? Their is no indication in this article as to what happened with Spain's third Europa League spot. Tvx1 13:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Tvx1: see 2016–17 UEFA Europa League#Distribution. Qed237 (talk) 13:54, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

It explains with a source that:

In the default access list, Sevilla enter the third qualifying round (as the seventh-placed team of the 2015–16 La Liga).[3][12] However, since they qualified for the Champions League as the Europa League title holders, the spot which they qualified for in the Europa League third qualifying round is vacated, and the following changes to the default allocation system are made:[13][14]

• The domestic cup winners of association 18 (Cyprus) are promoted from the second qualifying round to the third qualifying round.
• The domestic cup winners of associations 27 and 28 (Serbia and Slovenia) are promoted from the first qualifying round to the second qualifying round.

I think that is clear enough. Qed237 (talk) 13:55, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Erm, no that doesn't explain it at all. That just shows the empty spot being shifted between rounds. That still doesn't explain a)why Malaga didn't receive that spot and b) with Spain filling just two of their three allocated spots how the total number of teams was maintained at 188. Just shifting some teams between round still leaves the total at 187, so one short. Tvx1 14:01, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

You see, 58 teams were intended to be entered in the third qualifying round, 64 in the second, 98 in the first. However Spain were not given any spot in the third round though they should have leaving the number for the third round at 57. Then one team was shifted from the second to the third round. This reinstated the number of teams for the third round to 58, while the number for the second round was reduced to 63. Then two teams were shifted from the first round to the second, increasing the total teams for the second round to 65 while reducing the first round total to 96. That leaves 58 teams for the third round, 65 for the second round and 96 for the first. A second round with an odd number of teams is obviously not possible so something is clearly missing here.Tvx1 14:01, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Tvx1: It is the rules (that are cited). When the Europa League title holder has also qualified for Europa League, their EL spot is vacated (no one gets it, it is removed). Qed237 (talk) 14:07, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Tvx1: From the original accesslist there was 189 teams, now it is 188. Qed237 (talk) 14:15, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

That's just not possible as that leaves an odd-numbered total of teams making it impossible to make up the match-ups. Moreover there is no initially reserved place for the EL title holder in the EL. The EL title holder gets a CL spot. Tvx1 14:16, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

It is very possible, I sugggest you read the rulebook and make the calculations, it is the truth. Qed237 (talk) 14:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

From the start (189 teams):

• 98 teams enter first qualifying round.
• 17 teams enter second qualifying round, together with 49 winners from previous round (totally 66 teams)
• 25 teams enter third qualifying round, together with 33 winners from previous round (totally 58 teams)
• 0 teams enter playoff-round, together with 29 winners from previous round and 15 losers from CL (total 44 teams)
• 16 teams enter group stage, together with 22 play-off winners and 10 CL losers (total 48 teams)
• 0 teams enter round of 32, together with 24 teams from group stage and 8 teams from CL (total 32 teams)

The sum is 98+17+25+0+16+0=156 EL teams and 15+10+8=33 teams from CL

Now (188 teams):

• 96 teams enter first qualifying round.
• 18 teams enter second qualifying round, together with 48 winners from previous round (totally 66 teams)
• 25 teams enter third qualifying round, together with 33 winners from previous round (totally 58 teams)
• 0 teams enter playoff-round, together with 29 winners from previous round and 15 losers from CL (total 44 teams)
• 16 teams enter group stage, together with 22 play-off winners and 10 CL losers (total 48 teams)
• 0 teams enter round of 32, together with 24 teams from group stage and 8 teams from CL (total 32 teams)

The sum is 96+18+25+0+16+0=155 EL teams and 15+10+8=33 teams from CL

Both works just fine. The default accesslist as well as the rules is in UEFA regulations. Qed237 (talk) 14:59, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Tvx1: Rule 3.06 from UEFA regulations say: The UEFA Europa League titleholder is admitted to the UEFA Champions League, at the entry stage determined by Article 3 of the Regulations of the UEFA Champions League. If the UEFA Europa League titleholder qualifies for the UEFA Europa League through one of its domestic competitions, the number of places to which its association is entitled in the UEFA Europa League is decreased by one. The created vacancy is rebalanced accordingly and priority for the UEFA Europa League is given to the domestic cup winners (in accordance with the entry stage as per the access list). Qed237 (talk) 15:01, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Tvx1: Originally QR1 would have 98 teams, QR2 would have 66 teams (49 + 17) and QR3 would have 58 teams (33 + 25). With Sevilla at the Champions League, QR1 had 96 teams, QR2 had 66 teams (48 + 18) and QR3 had 58 teams (33 + 25). There is no mistake or "impossibility" or "odd-numbering". I don't know where does that 64 number you said for original QR2 come from. If QR3 stays the same and QR2 loses 1 team because of it, QR1 gives 2 teams to QR2, so that there is minus 1 game at QR1, therefore minus 1 team to qualify from QR1 to QR2. No offense, but you should do the math correctly first before starting confusing discussions like this one that lead to nowhere, because everything's obviously right and your math is wrong. The Replicator (talk) 15:05, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

It came from subtracting the two teams that were shifted from round one to two from the current round 2 total of 66 (66-2=64). Qed237, I'm not disputing the EL title holder's association number of places was decreased by one. But obviously if they decrease the number of spots of one association, they must increase the number of spots of an other association in other to keep the totals correct. Tvx1 01:06, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

@Tvx1: No they dont have to increase teams for any nation. As explained above 188 teams works just as fine as original 189 teams. Qed237 (talk) 01:10, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Partizani Tirana

After discussion in edit summaries it is best to take discussion about Partizani Tirana here.

UEFA took the decision to transfer Partizani to Champions League after Skenderbeu was disqualified. Then their name was struck per Metalist situation in 2013–14 UEFA Champions League for consistency and because their matches was cancelled and team moved. What happened to their draw opponent is handled in the section were they should have been played and is not relevant for the note of Partizani. Qed237 (talk) 01:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Every single note underneath that table explains what happened with the spot the team the noted deals with. So why don't you allow the exact same thing to be done for Tirana? Tvx1 02:13, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

We mention what is related to this tournament. In Team X had qualified but failed to obtain license so team Y plays instead both teams are relevant for this tournament (Team X should have played, and Team Y will play). But in this situation the only team relevant for this tournament is Partizani and that they transferred (Skenderbeu never qualified for EL), and what happens to their first rund opponent has nothing to do with entering teams and is explained in the section for the first round. Qed237 (talk) 11:05, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2016

Under the section third qualifying round, team orders must be like Rijeka vs İstanbul Başakşehir

Haydinozkan (talk) 19:30, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. I cant see any issues. Istanbul Basaksehir started at home so they are listed as team 1, just like they should. Qed237 (talk) 19:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Top goalsc. to 4th matchday

01 Why Aduriz is higher than Giuliano, if he has more minutes? 02 Teodorchyk has 4 goals (not 3) to wikipedia (eng), it's in the group stage can see if that's wrong, then change it there too (in his group games stat.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramirez2387 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Group stages map

There are supposed to be two Israeli teams on there. One is completely off the map and the other has been plonked in a random place in, I think, Turkey. I'd fix it, except I don't know how to. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:01, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

In fact, it looks like all the teams have been placed in nutty locations. I'll hide it. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:02, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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