Talk:2017 imprisonment of Hong Kong democracy activists

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Edit conflicts[edit]

@Citobun: Lets talk peacefully. For your first issue, MOS:IBX doesnt specify which kinds of pictures cannot be used. For the second one, I'm merely replacing a secondary source with a primary source, which is apparenly more reliable. Unfortunately, the original quote in the primary source contains more than 40 words which according to MOS:BLOCKQUOTE should used this template. --Whaterss (talk) 13:10, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Political agenda editing / lede image replaced[edit]

User:Whaterss is a mainland Chinese political agenda editor going back some time, interested in such controversial subjects as Falun Gong, Taiwan, etc. See such edits as 1, 2, 3. Anyway, he/she has been toying around with this article for a couple days, including:

moving the lede image to the bottom leaving nothing in its place
replacing the lede image (of the three imprisoned people) with a photo of an inanimate object (the High Court Building)
misunderstanding the purpose of block quotes, i.e. calling it a "double standard" that Wong's longer quotation appears in block quotes (per the MOS) while a shorter quote from the mainland Chinese perspective doesn't
removing an image of the Taiwanese president, which illustrates the accompanying text, for a frivolous reason

And more. Anyway, I propose to reinstate the original lede image:

The image shows the three imprisoned on the day they were sentenced. There's no more pertinent image for the lede available than this. Citobun (talk) 13:12, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Wikipedia administrators really need to crack down on this sort of low-level disruptive political agenda editing. It's such a waste of time to lay out the reasons why the first image is more suitable, because that treats it like a content dispute. It's not. The root of the problem is certain users who screw around relentlessly with niggling things like this when it comes to any content that might reflect poorly on the Chinese government. Clearly a case of WP:NOTHERE. Citobun (talk) 13:15, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Interested in the fact that a non-administrative user assumes what real admins might think. --Whaterss (talk) 13:21, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you care to read WP:NOTHERE you might come to realise why an admin might find your long-term censorship campaign disruptive and incompatible with the spirit of a free encyclopedia. Citobun (talk) 13:24, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, long-term censorship campaign is disruptive and incompatible with the spirit of a free encyclopedia.Tart (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good conversation, Wikipedians, but a bit too hot. I am newcomer on Wikipedia, so I just noticed little type here in word "ulimate"instead "ultimate". I am just now on little mobile phone w little screen, but if you busy I can try to turn on my big notebook to redress. Or do you redress the little type by yourself? Good den, guys! PoetVeches (talk) 12:43, 22 August 2017 (UTC) PoetVeches (talk) 12:43, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

stipulates that the "ulimate aim is" - error is "ulimate" instead "ultimate", isn't it?[edit]

Type in word "ulimate" (ultimate) Good day, all! PoetVeches (talk) 12:22, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thanks! Citobun (talk) 13:16, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Taiwan info by political agenda editor[edit]

Again, User:STSC, who has been sanctioned in the past for incessant pro-China political agenda editing, is back to censor encyclopedic content for frivolous reasons.

Removing an illustrative photo of Tsai Ing-wen in a section otherwise devoid of photos "because she wasn't president when the photo was taken" is nonsense. But I don't want to get into the nitty-gritty of the content dispute for the 1000th because it's completely beyond the point, as usual. The point is that User:STSC is completely not here to build an encyclopedia, but disruptively push a political agenda through censorship of encyclopedic content. He/she has been pretending to be "semi-retired" since last being sanctioned for political agenda editing, but can't help but keep swooping in to censor content with no valid reasoning. Citobun (talk) 16:24, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please, my friend, no personal attacks. You're an admirer of Tsai, if you want to post a picture of Tsai as the president of Taiwan, go and find one when she's a president. I won't remove it. STSC (talk) 16:52, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't make any personal attacks, I've made the same grievance over your political agenda editing that numerous others have. I don't know where you get the idea that I am an "admirer of Tsai" considering I have literally never mentioned or edited anything about her aside from right here. You have no grounds to remove this photo, you're just being disruptive as usual to further your political agenda. Citobun (talk) 17:08, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK now, I did it for you. No more arguing. STSC (talk) 17:17, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I oppose the posting of Tsai's picture of 13 Jan 2016 as the president of Taiwan when she wasn't the president. There's no consensus to keep that picture in the article. STSC (talk) 17:48, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Based on what Wikipedia policy? Take this disruptive nonsense elsewhere please. Citobun (talk) 17:52, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In that image she is described as presidential candidate in the image's description, not president. It's not appropriate to use this image as the picture of president of Taiwan. STSC (talk) 18:09, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

This article appears to be sympathetic and supportive to those pro-democracy activists and mostly reflects their POV instead of stating both party's POV equally . --123.161.170.232 (talk) 05:34, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article appeared in the "In the news" section of the Wikipedia front page in basically its present state. At that time, it was vetted by numerous uninvolved editors for quality issues including NPOV. Hence, I am removing the NPOV tag. Citobun (talk) 07:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

HK media usually say "13+3". wikipedia, please don't bia on the "3"! The article should have enough reflection about the "13". 118.140.205.66 (talk) 01:35, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It mentions them, so I don't think the NPOV tag is warranted. Citobun (talk) 05:44, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Blanking of image of Taiwanese president[edit]

User talk:123.161.171.147 is now the one blanking the image of the Taiwanese president. Please explain here, as I don't understand the rationale. Citobun (talk) 09:54, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, the sentence "The Taiwanese government expressed its "deep regret" over the jail sentences, and reiterated Taiwan's "long-standing stance to support Hong Kong people to pursue democracy, freedom, the rule of law and human rights." has wholly stated the Taiwanese government's reaction to this incident which the image's caption repeated as "Taiwanese president Tsai Ing-wen, whose office released a statement expressing Taiwan's "deep regret" over the jail sentences". Apparently the two sentences have almost identical content which we just need to keep one here. Btw, as far as I know, blanking of content with a reason isn't vandalism. --123.161.171.147 (talk) 10:13, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The image illustrates the text it accompanies, this is normal. Citobun (talk) 10:14, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So how does MOS define cases like this? --123.161.171.147 (talk) 10:15, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A case like what? The purpose of images on Wikipedia is to illustrate the content within the article. Citobun (talk) 13:55, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]