Talk:2019–20 snooker season/GA1

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Reviewer: MrLinkinPark333 (talk · contribs) 23:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Hello! Thought I review this since it's shorter than your other nominations LOL! By the way, there's a duplicate GAN nomination on the talk page (June 22 + July 1). If you have any questions/comments, please let me know :)

Lead/infobox[edit]

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Players[edit]

Out of date (Verification)[edit]

  • I notice that this section is out of date. The January 2019 World Snooker Tour source is missing information that can be found from this June 2019 WPBSA source. Specifically:
    • "128 professional players" - WST only has 122 but WPSBA does verify 128.
    • "whilst an additional 29 players who had previously won a two-year tour card" - WPBSA's updated source makes it 28 in June 2019
      • That's 28 plus James Wattana, who they have listed as Invitational, which is a two-year tour card. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:42, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Three players came from the Challenge Tour" - WST said 2 but WPSBA does confirm 3.
    • "sixteen places were available through the Q School events" - WST only has 12, but WPSBA shows all 16.
    • "The six remaining places were given to continental championship winners" - This is off in several ways. It was five continental champions, and two invitations per WPBSA, making it seven remaining places.
      • It was actually four, not five.
    • "Amine Amiri won the African Billiards & Snooker Confederation's nomination" - true. Specifically, it happened after he won the African Championship, which is stated at "Morocco's Amine Handed Tour Card". I think it can be combined with the International champions section as both WST and WPBSA state the African championship winner would receive a card.
    • James Wattana also received an invitational per WPBSA.

Prose issues (P1)[edit]

  • "consisted of a standard field of 128 professional players" - Original Research as it suggests 128 is a consistent number of players per season (I assume it is). However, if you're only describing and citing the 2019/20 season, then "standard" will need to be dropped.
    • Fair enough. It is 128 (cause most tournaments have that many participants), but the newest season only has 122. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:54, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "on the one-year ranking list, but who did not automatically qualify after the previous tour." - the bolded part sounds a bit off grammatically. How about "but had not already qualified after the previous tour"?
  • The two instances of "automatically qualify" I'm not 100% sure about (top 64 and 8 from the one -year list). Yes, they qualified but WST isn't obvious that they would automatically qualify. I suggest dropping the word "automatically" for both parts. If you disagree on this point, let me know.
    • I mean I do - it's quite general usage, but whatever, it's semantics. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:58, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prose issues (P2)[edit]

  • "and by winning qualifying events." - neither WST or WPBSA confirms the remaining spots (outside of invitations) could be given by winning qualifying events. Specifically, I don't see World Snooker Challenge Tour, China Tour, or the continental championships being classed as qualifying events.
    • Alternatively, I don't see WST or WPSBA saying the players from Challenge Tour or China Tour won events.
  • "and an invitational offer was given to longstanding tour player Jimmy White" - Original research as WPBSA only comments on White receiving a card, and not his previous tour experience.

--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Players number lists source checking[edit]

  • Snooker.org needs date adjusting to verify the one-year ranking list.
  • Q School Order of Merit is not showing any names for me with snooker.org. Tried advancing to later archived copies, but same issue.
  • Any source for flags for China Tour, Challenge Tour, Invitationals, Q school events and Order of Merit?, If it's easier, you could place the source before you introduce the list of players at "following players received a tour card for two seasons" --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:12, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Season summary[edit]

  • "The season consisted of a series of different tours." - not verified as January 2019 World Snooker season source is broken.
  • "The main tour was the World Snooker Tour, consisting of events that carried both world ranking and invitational points." - same issue as above with January 2019 World Snooker season broken source.

Ranking events (P1)[edit]

  • "both of whom had not won a ranking event prior" - I don't see mention of Joyce not winning a ranking event before appearing at the Riga Masters, only Bingtao. Might be simpler to mention it applied to Bingtao in a new sentence, else it's OR.
  • "The first of four Home Nations Series events" - OR as BBC doesnt mention the English Open is a Home Nations Series event.
  • "The first of the Triple Crown tournament events" - OR as The Guardian doesnt state the UK championship is a Triple Crown event.
  • Since it's mentioned the English Open is a Home Nations event, it's a bit confusing there's no mentioned that the Northern Ireland Open is the second Home Nations event (with source of course).
    • "but neither for over 10 years," - Kinda. Junhui's last UK championship win was in 2009, but the 2009 final was on December 13th. As the 2019 final was on December 8th, it's not over ten years. Maguire indeed hasn't won the championship in over ten years. I only looked this up cause 2009+10=2019. A slight reword would work here :)
  • "the Scottish Open, held in December, the third Home Nations event." - sounds choppy with the short bolded sentences.
    • While Sporting Life does confirm the Scottish Open is a Home Nations event, it doesn't specify it was the third.

Ranking events (P2)[edit]

  • "This was the first multisession final whitewash since 1989" - Yep. I suggest clarifying it was at the 1989 Grand Prix (snooker) else it sounds like it happened at the 1989 European Masters.
  • "Murphy won his second title of the season at the Welsh Open, defeating Kyren Wilson 9–1." - citation needed
    • Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:41, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, if you're keeping the Home Nations Series mentions, it should be mentioned (with source) that Welsh Open was the last Home Nations Series event. Else disregard if you end up dropping these mentions per prior points on English, Northern Ireland and Scottish.
    • I'm not entirely sure why we need to be consistent. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:41, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I notice there's no mention of the 2020 Indian Open being cancelled to be held in March 2020, despite being a ranking event per the 2019/20 prize money table. A simple sentence saying that it was cancelled and why (with ref) would be sufficient like China Open.
    • TBD
  • "The one-frame timed Snooker Shoot Out" - 2020 BBC (Shoot Out) suggests this was a multiple frame event, not one frame.
  • "Trump won the Players Championship with a score of 10–4 over Yan" - need an extra source as 2020 WST source (Six of the Best) states Trump did win the event, but doesn't mention the score nor finalist.
  • "Gibraltar Open with a score of 4–3 over Kyren Wilson" - since Wilson's already mentioned earlier with the Welsh Open, you can drop his first name.
  • "Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the Gibraltar Open was played without a live audience in attendance after the first day, and subsequent events were played without fans." - not verified as March 2020 WST citation and June 2020 Sporting Life citation talk about the Tour Championship and not the Gibraltar Open
    • Covered Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The China Open was cancelled due to restrictions" - same issue as above as neither WST/Sporting Life talk about the Tour Championship and not the China Open.
    • Covered Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Tour Championship, scheduled for March, was postponed to June." - not verified by Magnificent Maguire. I was going to suggest moving the March 2020 WST citation (Coral Tour postponed) to this spot, but it said it was rescheduled to July of that year.
    • Covered Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I see that the Tour Championship final was held in June of that year. So, was it rescheduled to July and then bumped up to June? If so, source needed to show that, or otherwise show that it was previously scheduled in March before all of the rounds were held in June.
    • Covered Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Maguire only qualified for the event after Ding withdrew due to travel issues surrounding the pandemic" - WST June 2020 (Magnificient Maguire) doesn't state why Ding withdrew for the Tour Championship. Extra source needed if you want to explain its because of the pandemic.
  • "World Snooker Championship, held in July and August" - March 2020 BBC (Crucible postponed) said it was planned to be held in July or August, not that it was held in both months.
  • "Audiences were allowed back during the final" - August 2020 BBC (Fans to be allowed) said fans were to be there for the final, but it hadn't happened yet. Therefore, it's OR. I suggest bumping this citation next to "but this was revoked after the first day" as this sentence is supported. For the audience being part of the World Championship final, I suggest finding a new source to show they did appear.

--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ranking events (P3)[edit]

  • Since it's mentioned in the infobox that the World Championship is part of the triple crown, it should be added in the prose with a source.
  • "became the second player ever to compile a century of century breaks in a season." - a slight reword is needed as it looks very similar to WST (player of the year) to pass Limited Wording.
    • Also, I know you're trying to say he had 100 century breaks, but "a century of century breaks" sound like Trump has been playing for 100 years. This isn't the case ;) A slight clarification is needd.
    • Sure Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and record breaking 37th ranking title" - not verified by August 2020 WST (player of the year). O'Sullivan won the award for his sixth world title only. If you want to include that it was his 37th title, and it was a record breaker, a separate source is needed. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:44, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Other events (P1)[edit]

  • "The season began with a series of three pro–am tournaments." - not verified with the broken January 2019 world snooker link or the may 2019 world snooker calendar.
  • " The Vienna Open was won by Mark Joyce, with the Pink Ribbon being won by Bingham." - OR issue as neither event results are mentioned in the May 2019 world snooker calendar.
  • "The 2019 Paul Hunter Classic was won by Barry Hawkins over Wilson with a score of 4–3." - note: i dont have access to snooker scene but i googled it to verify. Hawkins did win the event 4-3 so no issue.
  • "The 2019 Six-red World Championship, a six-red snooker variant tournament" - 2019 world snooker (five-year drought) doesnt explain the concept of six-red.

Other events (P2) and other notes[edit]

  • "The Champion of Champions tournament, with participants being winners of events from the prior 12 months" - BBC 2020 (champion of champions dramatic final) doesnt explain the concept of the tournament.
  • Since the Masters is mentioned in the infobox as a triple crown event, it should be mentioned in the prose with source.
  • "but was given the place after defending champion O'Sullivan withdrew." - I know Masters 2020 BBC source doesn't state, but I wonder if it could be found/added why O'Sullivan withdrew from the Masters. Especially since he was defending champ.
  • "The year-long Championship League event was won by Scott Donaldson before the onset of the pandemic" - OR for 2 reasons. Eurosport March 2020 (700th century) only mentions the first day of the Winner's Group, and not Donaldson's winning the League. Second reason is that there's no mention of the pandemic.
  • "with a second Championship League organised as a test event for returning to play after the lockdown. The second event was won by Luca Brecel." - similar OR issues with World SNooker (Brecel Edges). The source talks about the matches on June 2nd, way before the Winners stage matches from June 9th to 11th. Therefore, it's not confirmed Brecel won the 2nd championship league. Also, no mention it was a test event after lockdown.
  • There are many missing events in this section and above. Haining Open (October non-ranking), all 11 of the Challenge Tour (including playoffs) and all 3 World Seniors events. Q school is also skipped. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 07:13, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Calendar[edit]

To check: individual winners/score per table sources

  • The 2019/19 Snooker season (assume it's a typo?) from World Snooker published January 2019 is broken. Internet Archive doesn't have a copy :/
  • The 2019/20 Snooker season from World Snooker has lots of missing info.
    • The Vienna Open, Pink Ribbon, World Seniors Championship, 2019–20 Championship League, Haining Open, UK Seniors Championship, European Masters, 2020 Championship League, Tour Championship, World Championship and World Seniors Championship are not mentioned at all with the 2019//20 World Snooker calendar from May 2019.
    • The dates for Challenge Tour 5, Challenge Tour 10 and Challenge Tour Playoffs contradict the July 2019 World Snooker source of the Tour calendar. Was these dates changed cause of the pandemic? There's no mention in the Season summary prose.
    • With the given three sources before the table, I cannot verify what type of event (world, non-ranking, pro-am, etc.) these events were.
    • The three sources before the table also don't mention the country & venue the events were held in. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:47, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • All covered in new citation from snooker.org.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

World ranking points (WST table source)[edit]

  • Grand prize for European Masters is 75k, not 80k.
  • R128 prize money for Shoot Out says 0 pounds, not 250 pounds. However, based on that note saying first round participates would receive money (and not part of their rankings), it suggests that there might be a R128 prize for Shoot Out. If that's the case, extra source needed to verify this. Otherwise, it needs swapping to 0 pounds.
    • They 100% got £250, but no ranking points. I'll look for sources. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:59, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gibraltar Open semi-final/final prizes are 12k and 25k, not 20k and 50k.
  • "Players who lose their first match receive no ranking points" - not 100% if this correct. Closest I see is first match losers will receive their money but it will not count to their money ranking.
  • I don't see a connection to the first match prize money with the World Championship for note 2. I do see seeded loser with 0 pounds for R144, R112 and R80, but I don't see an explanation to it in the points under the table at WST. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:47, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Finalists in ranking tournaments[edit]

  • The only issue I see is potentially confirming whether those tournaments are ranking tournaments or not as the 2019/20 snooker.org source isn't specific. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:49, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overall[edit]

I will have to fail this article in terms of broadness and original research. There are many events missing in the prose that were held: Haining Open, 12 events of the Challenge Tour (including playoffs) and 3 World Seniors events. Alternativelly, the Indian Open that was cancelled is omitted despite mention of the China Open being cancelled. For Original Research issues, I see many instances where the prose is not backed up by the given source, For example, the 2 Championship League events are not backed up by their given sources as the citations are not about the event's final. Similarilly, the given source for Vienna Open and Pink Ribbon does not cover any results from the events. Another instance is sources talking about Tour Championship is cited for Gibralatar Open and China Open. Otherwise, I see citation missing for Welsh Open. This is not counting any of the other OR instances, like 37th world title for O'Sullivan.

There is also out of date information in the Players section. It's currently citing an old World Snooker source that can be resolved with WPBSA, such as the number of professional players and that James Wattana also received an invitational. With these two criteria, I believe that a lot of work is needed before this article can become GA. Usually, I'd leave it open on hold. However, having 17 events missing from the prose makes it a long way from reaching broadness. Also, having 6 events missing verification on their finals, out of date information on the players plus other instances where the prose doesnt match the citation makes this a mixture of OR and verification issues. I hope you choose to work on this article and renominate this to GAN in the future :)

To the next reviewer if this article does get renominated: I didn't review the citations in the calendar table nor look at the lead and infobox. These will need examining too. However, main issues are verification/Original research and broadness at the moment. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 07:43, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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