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On 8 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to 2022 al-Shabaab offensive in Ethiopia. The result of the discussion was procedural close.

Requested move 8 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: procedural close. The request was initiated via block evasion and no one has suggested any outcome besides not moving. (closed by non-admin page mover) NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 03:23, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2022 al-Shabaab invasion of Ethiopia → 2022 al-Shabaab offensive in Ethiopia – Al-Shabaab is not a country, but a militant group, so you can't really call it an "invasion", but rather an "offensive". UkraineFella (talk) 12:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - per WP:COMMONNAME, we should use the terms most commonly used by reliable sources. Sources generally called this an "invasion". Applodion (talk) 12:33, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Per above post by Applodion. Multiple reliable sources call this an invasion, and while al-Shabaab is not a country, as far as I'm aware, being a country is not necessarily a requirement for conducting an invasion. XTheBedrockX (talk) 20:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Per above post by Applodion, XTheBedrockX and WP:OR but support for move al-Shabaab invasion of Ethiopia. only invasion Parham wiki (talk) 17:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Al-Shabbat militants should not be referred to as “rebels.”

Yes, they are technically rebels considering how they are a non-state entity fighting to overthrow the government of both Somalia and Ethiopia, but “rebel” generally has a positive and/or neutral connotation, and given the atrocities committed by Al-Shabaab, I think the word “militant” (maybe even “terrorist”) is a more appropriate word to use. LordOfWalruses (talk) 22:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Rebel" is a neutral word, and al-Shabaab is a rebel group. In contrast, "terrorist" is not a neutral word. Applodion (talk) 22:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They’re still generally considered a terrorist group (they even have ties to Al-Qaeda), and the word “rebel” doesn’t accurately describe what this truly group is. Even if they aren’t referred to as “terrorists,” they should at least be referred to as “militants.” LordOfWalruses (talk) 03:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

insurgents works fine 184.147.145.117 (talk) 20:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding update

@Whoopsawa: I just wanted to respond to your recent change, and thank you. Why? Well, as I began gathering old sources which talked about how the invading forces had been largely eliminated, I thought: "Perhaps I should look for new sources as well". And, well, I found this new(ish) source which actually outlines that the incursion might have been far more successful than reported by any source. I will adjust the article accordingly; thanks for pushing me toward finding this gem! Applodion (talk) 17:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Applodion Glad to help. I have no issue with the infobox saying the attack was largely repulsed or something, but I think it’s a stretch to accept claims of the AS force being ‘mostly destroyed’ as an objective fact from ENDF generals or Somali Region officials who also claim the Oromo Liberation Front had a hidden hand in this. Whoopsawa (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]