Talk:2024 European Parliament election in Ireland

Clare Daly

Is Clare Daly retiring? She is not in the list of returning incumbents, but neither is she in the list of retiring incumbents. Spleodrach (talk) 13:55, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

She doesn't appear to have made a statement yet on whether she will seek re-election or not. CeltBrowne (talk) 14:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

There is this November 2023 article from RTÉ that says she confirmed she would seek re-election. I haven't seen any other articles since though. Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 18:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Social Democrats (NI)?

Presumably this designation is merely serving as a placeholder unless/until one of their candidates is elected? My understanding is that they would only decide whether to apply to the S&D bloc, or alternatively the Greens, when the situation presents itself: Culloty82 (talk) 12:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

That's correct. I placed Non-Inscrits in as a placeholder/de facto. I considered adding a note for some parties about their preferred EU grouping, but for example in the case of the Social Democrats, I couldn't actually find a reliable, secondary source noting their desire to be in S&D. CeltBrowne (talk) 23:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

John Waters

Does anyone have a reliable source for John Water's candidacy? Apparently he's running in Midlands North-West. Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 21:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

New candidates announcing

A candidate by the name of Stephen O'Rourke announced his candidacy today. www.Stephen4Europe.eu and also on Linkedin. Is this sufficient for adding him to the list on the wikipedia page? Note I am a constituent in the Dublin electoral area, and am interested in this candidate for this reason. WikipRecorder (talk) 20:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

From my understanding of WP:SOCIALMEDIA and WP:SELFSOURCE it should be ok. There are other candidates listed here similar citations (Waters, Steenson, de Barra ,etc). Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 22:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Reinstate direct links to candidacy announcements

I propose that the direct links to the candidates announcements are reinstated. My reasoning for this is: the direct links help independents and help people see their websites etc. The established parties and candidates have the advantage that people know them already and do not have to dig deep to find them online, whereas this can not be said for the others. Therefore, reinstating the direct links (e.g. Tweet which is announcing the candidacy) brings back a sense of fairness to the candidacy. WikipRecorder (talk) 16:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @WikipRecorder, Are you Stephen O'Rourke? I noticed you added (then removed) a COI declaration on your user page. I also noticed that you've submitted a draft page for Stephen O'Rourke. I urge you to be upfront with any conflict of interest you may have, and to avoid contributing to topics you are personally involved with. Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 17:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello Boardwalk.Koi, thank you for your message and of course for your due diligence. I am not directly related to Stephen ORourke, which is why I removed that declaration that you mentioned. I am a constituent of his, which is why I have an interest here. Please let me know if I can clarify anything else for you. WikipRecorder (talk) 20:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for reply and for addressing my concerns. To address your original point, I removed the references as I thought they were unnecessary, and cluttering the table. I think the article as it is now represents all candidates equally and without bias. That being said I'd like to hear what other users think about the issue and try to reach a consensus. Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 21:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback.

I have a question regarding the following comment on the Draft article: "Comment: Candidates for political office are rarely (if ever) notable per WP:NPOL. If he wins in the EU elections, we can reassess. Bkissin (talk) 00:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)"

Sorry, I am new to Wiki so not sure how to respond directly to that message......

But my question is: on the basis of this person not being deemed to be NPOL according to the policy, why then do other candidates have their own Wiki page. For example, another independent has a page, but why is he deemed to be a person of interest for a wiki page but ORourke isn't? This is a genuine question from me, and I ask it in order to gain further insights into how this works. WikipRecorder (talk) 12:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Best place to discuss that would be over at Draft talk:Stephen O'Rourke Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 13:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Candidate listing

I took the bold decision to remove the list of candidates from this page, it was reasonably reverted by CeltBrowne, and we can discuss it here. I'd argue as I put in my edit summary, the candidates these are better listed and maintained in the three constituency articles, rather than duplicating them on this page, and to the extent that we had relevant notes, they can be included in the biographical articles. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 21:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

User:Iveagh Gardens, I see and understand the good faith rationale you had in the edit history regarding removing the list of candidates but I don't think I agree with it. For most "casual" people googling/Wikipedia'ing "European Election Ireland", 2024 European Parliament election in Ireland will be their primary hub of information. Most of those people will be on their phones with each subheading on the main autoclosed to start with. For them, the page is very easily navigable, and they will (I believe) be jumping to the "candidates" section perhaps as their main destination on the page.

I think on that basis, we'd be hurting the navigability of the page and main purpose of the page by removing the candidates section. I understand the average person /can/ find the candidates by selecting their constituency, but whether they /will/ is an entirely different matter. When it comes to matters of technology, I typically don't give the average person the benefit of the doubt.

That's my take, but I'd be interested to hear what other active editors might think about this too CeltBrowne (talk) 21:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree. People seeking election information are more likely to find this page, rather then their constituency's page. I think this page should list all candidates until the election occurs. Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 12:47, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

National Party on ballot?

The returning officers for MNW and Dublin have candidates listed under the National Party (from both factions now). At the moment the footnote on this page states that candidates "will not appear on the ballot under the label of "National Party" following a decision by the Registrar of Political Parties", however I'm not sure the references support this assertion.

In the 12th April edition of Irish Oifigúil, the decision from An Coimisiún Toghcháin reads,

I do not propose to amend the registration in the Register of Political Parties of the National Party in respect of the address of the party headquarters, the authorised officers or the details of the accounting units.

I think that could mean that both Barrett and Reynolds can nominate candidates under the NP banner. The fact that the MNW returning officer lists both Barrett and Reynolds as NP candidates seems to support this.

I also think it's noteworthy that the Dublin returning officer lists Rabharta's candidate (Cafolla) as "Non-Party". This implies that the Rabharta footnote is correct, but the NP one is not. Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 12:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

(Answering question from my talk page on same this topic) @Iveagh Gardens: I was going off the Irish Independent, who stated

the Electoral Commission decided to reject applications from opposing factions for the right to use the party name in forthcoming elections.[1]

and I thought at first the Irish Times source [2] was also driving at that idea, because how they phrase things in the first paragraph also seems to indicate that. However, re-reading the Irish Times article, it states

As a result no changes will be made to the Register of Political Parties which currently lists party founder Justin Barrett and James Reynolds as the authorised officers of the National Party.

It's difficult to know what to make of things now, but I suppose for the moment commonsense tells me we could/should just remove the note on the National Party for now. If the Registering Officer is listing them...I guess that how the ballot will appear? Things could change again, but we can readjust at that point. CeltBrowne (talk) 13:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

This probably was one more for general discussion than a personal talk page! I'd agree then, we can remove that note. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 13:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree. There will probably be more definite coverage of the issue closer to the election, but for now I think the note should be removed. Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 13:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)