Talk:2024 French legislative election

References are out of date in the lead

Macron calling for snap elections was just (officially) announced (roughly at the time of writing). The references 1,2,3 in lead are from 2022 and they have very little to do with what is being said in the lead. Added 4 from SkyNews, which felt like way more relevant, and more references will come soon. Andreas Mastronikolis (talk) 19:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Mistake about the previous use of the dissolution

The article says that Macron is the second president after chirac to use it's dissolution power. In fact, De Gaulle and Mitterand (twice) also used the power of dissolution. This dissolution is more close of the dissolution used by Mitterand (to restore confidence into his part) rater than Chirac ("British" usage of the dissolution power). 2A01:E0A:4DF:D1F0:4AED:60D3:ACDB:9B24 (talk) 08:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

True. Thank you for the important correction. — hako9 (talk) 08:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Leader of Ensemble in the infobox

I think having Sejourné as leader of Ensemble in the infobox is misleading. All the campaign has been around the incumbent prime minister, Gabriel Attal, as his participation in the debates shows, just the same way Bardella is the candidate of RN. The same should be done for the 2022 election and change Ferrand for Élisabeth Borne. Pinging other contributors of this page to have their input. @Mason.Jones, @Muaza Husni, @Borgerland, @ValenciaThunderbolt, @David O. Johnson, @GlowstoneUnknown, @Braganza Basque mapping (talk) 22:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, leaders and candidates aren't the same thing, Sejourné is the party's General Secretary, Attal was just Macron's choice for Prime Minister after Borne stepped down. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 01:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Support showing Attal as leader in infobox, either alone or along with Sejourné per WP:EDITCON as it reflects the nature of the election in practice and relative visibility/participation of party leaders vs PMs in the election, cf French edition articles for 2024 and 2022 where Attal and Borne are listed in the infobox. 73.169.176.209 (talk) 02:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC) Oppose I agree with Mason.Jones's point below. 73.169.176.209 (talk) 00:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose I agree with GlowstoneUnknown. The Prime Minister can come and go at the whim of the President, making it unjust to have them in TILE, and TIE too. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 13:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Agree with Glowstone and Valencia. Borne was simply tapped, not duly elected, and served for a short time. Likewise, Attal could be jettisoned tomorrow. Listing imcumbent PMs in the infobox seems overblown. Mason.Jones (talk) 17:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

We don't have to automatically list the incumbent. But it is pretty clear Attal is Ensemble's candidate for PM this election, just like Bardella is for RN, it doesn't matter if he's the incumbent or not FreakingEmu (talk) 11:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The Infobox specifically says "leader", not "candidate". This isn't a Presidential election, it's a Parliamentary one, and it should be listed which people are each parties' respective leaders. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 12:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Support Showing the prime ministerial candidates reflects the nature of the election better. It is pretty clear Attal is Ensemble's candidate for PM this election just like Bardella is for RN FreakingEmu (talk) 11:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't make sense as other parties haven't all agreed on a "Prime Ministerial Candidate", especially NFP and LR – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 11:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Usefulness of triangulaires/quadrangulaires table

I added a table here listing all three- and four-way races and was reverted soon thereafter, so coming to the talk page to assess other editors' opinions on this.

My justification for inclusion is that these races are notable enough to mention on their own, and the results of the vote in the first round is clearly worth including in such a table because it's related to why such races are taking place (especially in view of the now 200+ candidate withdrawals in the second round). It's not an exhaustive results table and not intended to be one very specifically because that (highlighting candidate withdrawals by constituency and configuration of race as well as the relative ranking of each candidate in triangulaires/quadrangulaires given public statements about desisting in favor of the candidates best placed to beat the RN/withdrawing dependent on the placement of the RN) the intended topic of the table, which has been the topic dominating news coverage of the elections in French media in the days after the first round.

Regardless of whether to include a full-size table, I think that a list or collapsed table of candidate withdrawals would be expected to be the kind of content which does in fact belong in an article like this. However, stripping down that content to just a list leaves a lot of questions: namely, the context in which they withdrew, which is directly related to their placement in the first round, something that inherently requires including the % and rank columns in order to contextualize that information.

I'm open to the idea of that table being kept as its own separate list and linked with {{Main}} here.

@Aréat, Davide King, Moondragon21, Braganza, and Frenchpolit: 73.169.176.209 (talk) 23:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The information is definitely important and should be on Wikipedia though the main article page is already getting quite long so I'd say that it should be treated just like opinion poll data are in election articles with a brief summary on the main page and a link to it's own page going far more in depth like your original table did. Zemlya Drakona (talk) 03:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

i agree these should be listed there Braganza (talk) 04:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I also agree they should be listed. Moondragon21 (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Given that the list being discussed (here) is basically the results of the first round with no additional information for a the subset of the races. And given that we don't even have the list of individual races for either the first or the second round. How is that list useful in any way? I would understand to have (probably as a sub article) the list of all the races end-to-end. Or have the triangulaires/quadrangulaires races aggregated as we are clearly perfectly fine to have those aggregates for both the first and second round. Instead, that list just provides primary partial raw data with no encyclopedic insight. --McSly (talk) 18:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I can understand thinking that to those viewing it without context around French elections in regard to the first table, but the revised table here (which I added before seeing this comment) should now make the intent of the table clearer compared to the prior one (as a simple summary table of the hundreds of withdrawals in three-way/four-way races and their basic context, which avoids having to list out all notable candidates and their situations as referred to in other media coverage). The reason why this merits inclusion on its own should already be fairly clear here, as noted at various points in 14 different paragraphs and three separate bar boxes, in that it is a very notable and important aspect of this specific election compared to all others, and the hundreds of candidate withdrawals are the dominant topic in news coverage of the legislative elections in this period between the two rounds.

I do believe it's almost certainly necessary to split this content into a separate article/list as GlowstoneUnknown has already done with the results articles by department, however, rather than keeping the entire table here, since it's very heavy on its own, and even as a standalone list it's pretty heavy. In regards to the point about why results aren't aggregated in the same way for other candidates, it's just something that isn't possible with the current or a similar setup of the table and likely exceeds the MediaWiki page size limit, hence why the individual constituency results articles are also split by department here. 73.169.176.209 (talk) 19:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I did actually have trouble with the MediaWiki limit when I tried to put all the constituencies on the same page, so I decided it'd be best to split it by department and have the individual constituencies be subsections of each page. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 05:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

That's definitely the best approach (what fr.wp does), thanks for working on those – those article titles should probably be moved to match those in the {{2024 French legislative election}} template so they aren't redlinked/orphaned pages, and then connected on Wikidata to the corresponding French-language articles in fr:Catégorie:Élections législatives françaises de 2022. 73.169.176.209 (talk) 07:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)