Talk:2024 German anti-extremism protests

Farmer protests in Germany

Okay, what is this? What kind of crap is this article? You paid attention to farmers' counter-protests and the crappy Bashkortostan, and you deliberately skip to open the article "Farmers' protests in Germany". I will deliberately not make any articles because I know that the extreme liberals here on Wikipedia will agree with each other to delete all my efforts that I would pack for days and nights. Where are the election protests in Serbia? When was the last time there were large protests? December 25th? Chaos in Germany, chaos in France, chaos in Poland, chaos in Romania and who knows where else while you are doing your stupid things. One day the extreme liberals come out and an article is opened immediately, and my article "Protests against the Green Agenda" was removed even though now the eruption of discontent has just escalated. I want to leave Wikipedia. You are also deleting the drafts related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, among which is "Draft:Battle of Krasnohorivka". You are so intolerable that my every presence here harms my health. This garbage of an article needs to be deleted urgently and this time I will suggest that it be deleted urgently because the neutral point of view is cruelly violated. This is so creepy what Wikipedia has turned into in recent years it literally makes me sick. — Baba Mica (talk) 20:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

@Baba Mica Supposed hypocrisy of the wider Wikipedian community is not a justification for a possible deletion of this article. If you have concerns about the status of the Russian invasion of Ukraine article and other articles, I suggest you discuss them on their Talk Pages rather than talk about them here. Wider declarations of your personal qualms with Wikipedia (along with your rather emotionally charged ranting) are better suited for personal essays rather than the Talk Pages of singular articles such as this one.

As for your concerns about the political neutrality of this article, I suggest you specify certain examples of bias you found in the article so that fellow editors may check for themselves. Additionally, ranting about "the extreme liberals" will most likely bring you accusations of violating Wikipedia's rules about civility and will be unlikely to support your case.

But hey, if all else fails, you can always go to Conservapedia. — @Royz-vi Tsibele Royz-vi Tsibele (talk) 21:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

You are insolent and rude. Then apply the Wikipedia name to Liberalopedia. You are making nonsense of the articles here, while skipping over the rebellion against the Green Agenda, the much larger farmers' protests in Germany and across Europe. Deal with Bashkorstan and two days of neoliberal protests (actually a protest of the government against the opposition), etc. Here everything became senseless and upside down. — Baba Mica (talk) 11:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Baba Mica As previously stated in my last reply, if you have questions, comments, or concerns about other Wikipedia articles, please visit the talk pages of those articles. I'm sure the articles for Bashkortostan, the German Climate Action Plan 2050, and other articles all have talk pages where you can discuss the subjects at length. However, you have not specified your reasoning behind how those subjects are directly connected with the German anti-AfD protests covered by this article, and as such your mentioning of those subjects in this talk page does not make sense within this context. You also have not yet given concrete examples of political bias within this article specifically, and as such your concerns, if justifiable, can not be addressed.

Furthermore, I ask you to please not target me or other Wikipedia editors and users with aggressive words such as "insolent," "nonsense," and "senseless." Such behavior is likely a violation of WP:WQ and will not lead to a result that is favorable to you. Royz-vi Tsibele (talk) 18:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Because at the same time and in parallel there are much more massive anti-government protests going on in Germany, and you caught the anti-opposition protest that lasted for two days and maybe some new gathering will happen at the weekend. The fact that you are "insolent" and "cheeky" is normally clear to everyone when you told me to go to the "Conservapedia" website from Wikipedia. What you have done is blatant discrimination and blatant insolence and rudeness and I could sue you for it. I am also impudent and angry, and I can be very unpleasant when I see injustice, but I admit all that. I am ready to bear the consequences, but not alone, you and I will bear them together. For the rest of the conversation, it was fine, but your reaction to me going to the "Conservapedia" site is complete insolence and pure rudeness with elements of discrimination. The farmers' protests are not led by the AFD, so that you can impute something like that to me, but by left-wing movements and trade unions. The fact that the AFD sneaked in to put itself at the head is similar to the protests in Serbia from May to November last year when the liberal opposition was quick to take over the protests caused by people's anger over the massacre at the Belgrade elementary school "Vladimir Ribnikar" and call them "Serbia against violence" and to collect political points through the corpses of children in such a disgusting way that they somehow succeeded. The Left Jean-Luc Mélenchon and the right-wing National Front Marine Le Pen did the same during protests against the pension reform in France. The AFD is doing the same thing now, but when the authorities saw that the AFD even dared to do something like that, they organized these counter-protests that you write about here. It annoys me why they didn't remember earlier that AFD is strengthening, because it hasn't happened since yesterday, nor since the farmers first took to the streets on December 18 last year, nor since the beginning of mass protests on January 8 this year. It's been going on for months. I will no longer deal with this garbage of an article, but I will accept the offer of a colleague to help in the formation of an article that is much more important and covers the whole of Europe. I wish you good fun in the continuation of this biased article. However, Wikipedia is also a kind of entertainment for slightly more intelligent people (which I consider you to be, regardless of the fact that we may not agree ideologically) and savants of different political affiliations. — Baba Mica (talk) 10:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Baba Mica Regardless of your disagreement with me or any other Wikipedia editor, we all deserve a basic level of respect. I admit that my reference towards Conservapedia in my first reply was a bit uncalled for, however this does not justify or excuse your much more aggressive and threatening behavior towards me. I would also like to remind you that threatening to sue users over a talk page is a violation of WP:LEGAL and is a further example of your overall toxic behavior towards me, and from a quick look at the talk page on your userpage, your toxic behavior towards others on this site as well.

I was aware that the AfD and similar far-right populist political parties across Europe had some involvement in the farmers protests, however, that is not what this specific article is covering. This article is not an entry on the AfD's activities as a whole; it specifically covers recent protests in Germany in reaction to a secret meeting between some high-ranking AfD members and neo-nazis planning to deport immigrants, foreign-born naturalized citizens, and others that they deem "undesirable." Perhaps the details you've pointed out could warrant an extra sentence or two within this article, however it does not warrant an entire section onto itself, nor does the article deserve to be deleted over not including such a section.

I agree with you in that Wikipedia does have its flaws, and yes, the edit warring can be a little funny as a spectator. However, I am on Wikipedia primarily out of my desire to improve a site that I have used for practically my whole life, not to get into smug debates and insult-fueled fights. Royz-vi Tsibele (talk) 12:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Are those "much larger farmer's protests" in the room with us right now? The last farmer's manifestation in Berlin had 500 people (and their tractors) showing up. That is hardly more than local news in a city where you have several demonstrations on pretty much every day of the year, while the anti-AfD protests are among the biggest in the history of the FDR. 2A01:599:11D:C3A0:CA77:25C5:D1D3:6E19 (talk) 13:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• FRG

2A01:599:11D:C3A0:CA77:25C5:D1D3:6E19 (talk) 13:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

If anyone is worried about the farmer protests. I am in support of creating a Wikipedia article on it. If anyone wants help me with the creation of the article I am up for it. 2024 German farmer protests. Zyxrq (talk) 04:43, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Very happy colleague. It will be my honor and pleasure. Just to see the draft and outline of the article. :) — Baba Mica (talk) 10:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm usually more of a copyeditor, but I could perhaps help with finding sources. Is there an article about this on the German Wiki? If so, that could be a good starting point. Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk) 10:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

That would be greatly appreciated and thank you for the offer. Then this article would make some sense. This is pointless. All that bothers the authorities in Germany about the AFD is the party's attempt to impose itself as the leader of huge farmers' protests that are very reminiscent of those Farmers' protests in the Netherlands from 2019 and in India from 2020 to 2022. It is the fear of the Dutch scenario that is part of the political struggle and that is understandable. These farmers' protests are affecting the whole of Europe and it is possible that they will be in the main center of attention at least in the first half of the year, at least until the elections for the European Parliament. That is why it is necessary to have relevant sources because these farmers' protests will certainly have political consequences for the authorities in Germany, the sum of which we will know in June at the European elections. Farmers fight for their rights, but parties fight for their interests as soon as they put themselves at the head of the protest. In this article, it is clear that the ruling coalition is leading the protests that started after the farmers' protests and how the protests are connected. Thank you once again. :) — Baba Mica (talk) 10:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think I quite understand your complaint about this article. Are you saying this article about an ongoing protest shouldn't exist because there are other ongoing protests that you see as more notable? If so, feel free to contribute to the respective articles of those protests, or create new ones in case they don't exist yet. This protest isn't connected to any of the other ongoing ones, though, so I don't see the point in bringing this up here. Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk) 10:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I wrote everything in my colleague's answer Royz-vi Tsibele. — Baba Mica (talk) 10:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Baba Mica @Zyxrq Update on a potential article about the farmer protests in Germany: There *is* a comprehensive article on the German Wiki, named "Bauernproteste in Deutschland ab Dezember 2023". I'm considering doing a basic translation of that article first - we can add, change or shuffle things around later.

One more question: should the article title still be "2024 German farmer protests", or should we change it in some way to match the German article? Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk) 12:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I think the best title is 2023-24 German farmers protests. The protests began on December 18, 2023. They took a wider context on January 8, 2024 when they expanded to most of Germany and Europe. I have been following these protests since the beginning, but I will join when you translate the article. A few more articles should be opened (minimum two): "2024 Farmers protests in France", 2024 Farmers protests in Poland" and one broad article "Farmers protests in Europe 2023—2024". There are also protests in Austria and Romania and in the Czech Republic and Belgium and in Spain, but so far they have hit Germany, France and Poland the most. — Baba Mica (talk) 13:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Baba Mica @Bucket of sulfuric acid @Zyxrq Sounds good, glad you three are making progress on that. In the meantime, when you make the sandbox for the article please move your discussion to its talk page. This is the talk page for the 2024 German Anti-Extremism Protests; its contents should near-only pertain to the article and events themselves. Royz-vi Tsibele (talk) 13:42, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Pardon for the inconvenience! Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk) 13:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Royz-vi TsibeleOK. We'll transfer there. It's just that the protests are interconnected, especially in terms of timing, they are intertwined, but they are certainly brought into the same context. — Baba Mica (talk) 13:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Talk pages are strictly meant for discussion about the contents of their articles. If you would like to discuss the contents of potential articles, please take those discussions to the appropriate place. Royz-vi Tsibele (talk) 02:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

For now, let Germany be the first in the focus, because everything originated from Germany, as well as the Yellow Vest Movement in France that spread to Europe. These farmers' protests have similarities to the yellow vests of 2018, only less aggressive than the yellow vests. However, they are very massive like the protests in 2018, which were a great lever of pressure on the authorities of the EU countries before the elections for the EU Parliament in 2019. Both series of protests are very similar. Baba Mica (talk) 13:43, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

right-wing extremism

The protests are not directed against all forms of extremism, but specifically against right-wing extremism, as the name of the German article makes clear. Perhaps we should do something similar here? 2A01:599:11D:C3A0:CA77:25C5:D1D3:6E19 (talk) 13:48, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@2A01:599:11D:C3A0:CA77:25C5:D1D3:6E19 I agree. The (original) German article specifically calls it "right-wing extremism" and also includes Austria, not just Germany --WinkingWikiWiking (talk) 14:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Anti afd protests

Change article name to this because the protests are exclusively against afd 176.72.39.119 (talk) 10:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@176.72.39.119

The German article calls it "2024 Protests against right-wing extremism in Germany and Austria". I think that would be an accurate description. WinkingWikiWiking (talk) 14:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

List of protests

I have just updated the list to the end of January 2024 according to the main criterion that the protest size be at least 5,000 participants. I did this with a view to keeping the effort in updating the list within bounds, as the number of editors may not be as high as with the German equivalent.--CRau080 (talk) 11:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

I have updated further and removed the tag on top of the article after adding translations of reference titles into English (a few may still be missing).--CRau080 (talk) 22:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)