Talk:2026 FIFA World Cup qualification – AFC third round

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Significance[edit]

What is the significance of finishing first rather than second? And if there is none, why is there any need to distinguish the outcomes (in what is a particularly ugly and pointless looking table)? 110.33.22.59 (talk) 11:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone add any countries that already had a chance to this round to any groups, before draw?[edit]

Because they are qualified to this round, so can I do it? Kamoverapo124 (talk) 18:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's a reason we keep reverting you. Do not randomly declare teams qualified without checking their chances. Professional predictions do not equate to statistics of all possible outcomes. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 18:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixtures table with dates[edit]

Why the table of fixtures with match dates is deleted which was next to the standings? 195.158.16.210 (talk) 06:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is too early for these tables. Unless someone can add the match templates that make the anchors for the links on these tables work, we cannot have bot edits like this ruining the article. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 08:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the ranking updated without consent?[edit]

The scheduled update for FIFA ranking is on 19 June, so why was it surprisingly updated? HiddenFace101 (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Finish in second round holds no bearing on third round this time around[edit]

The table that is being continuously reinserted into this article to indicate which teams finished in what positions in which groups worked in past qualification articles as the runners-up of second round groups entered a different round (between FIFA third round or AFC third round) dependent on group result. This same table does not work here, as winners and runners-up always qualify for this round regardless of how they finished. I do not believe the table should be restored here. I would also like some other input regarding this table. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 03:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: leave the Qualified teams section as it is for now - it is appropriate. If something different later occurs with the draw mechanism, update then, but don't speculate that the format will be anything different to what Is already announced (under WP:CRYSTAL). Matilda Maniac (talk) 04:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy pinging @Mediocre Legacy since I see the table of second round results was restored during this discussion. I'd like to see if there was a reason behind this. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 03:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted that edit citing this discussion. I originally removed the table specifically because the results in the second round do not, at this time, hold any bearing on the third round. Should the draw procedure state that group winners will be seeded higher than group runners-up regardless of the world ranking, then I will personally restore the table unless someone else does so. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 15:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of unreferenced, unfinished and commented out content[edit]

I have removed all of the unreferenced content from this article, as well as unfinished content such as the group tables and the commented out content which should be referenced regardless of whether it's commented out (readers can click edit or view source at any time and see what's been hidden). This is per WP:VERIFY, WP:MOS and WP:CRYSTALBALL. I see no benefit to adding any of them back to the article before reliable sources are reporting the information. Adam Black ^{talk • contribs} 08:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for the qualified teams and the group formats were already in the article, so I've restored those sections with citations. That info was easily verifiable even if not directly cited - did you consider trying to WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM instead of removing good content?

I'm not sure I fully understand your objection to the commented out content. I agree that it's not ready for inclusion yet (hence being hidden), but it's helpful to get the sections ready for when inclusion will be appropriate. That's specified as an appropriate use of hidden text per WP:HIDDEN: Preparing small amounts of information to be added to the article in the future (such as when a known event will occur). (And I'd argue that the hidden content is small enough to qualify, although I'm not exactly sure where to draw that line.) Wburrow (talk) 15:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed there was a content dispute on this article, which is the only reason I had taken a look at it. WP:VERIFY is one of the most important Wikipedia policies and should take precedence over all others. This article has been worked on by many editors and really should have been appropriately sourced by now. Also note that the verification policy says Any material that needs an inline citation but does not have one may be removed. Editors should not have to try to fix the problem if content is uncited.

I'm not sure I would agree that the content is "small", and as another editor uncommenting content was part of the dispute I'd argue its removal is better for page stability (it can always be found in the page history when it's time to restore).

I still don't think the Groups section should be in the article yet. It is unfinished. There are no teams listed, instead A1-6, B1-6 and C1-6. Prose explaining the group structure would be better until the teams are known. Adam Black ^{talk • contribs} 18:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re Qualified teams: WP:V says an inline citation is needed for material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged. The verifiability of which teams had qualified for the round was never in question (the content dispute around this section was about how to present the information, not whether it was verifiable or accurate), so an inline citation was not required. If you really felt one was needed, a "citation needed" tag would have been a good alternative to removing the section.

Re hidden text: I hope you're right that totally removing the content is better for page stability, and I'm not in any hurry to restore that part, although I do think it's (barely) permissible as info to be added later.

Re Groups: It is a long-standing and common practice to include group structures with placeholders instead of teams for the time period between the announcement of the group structure and placement of the teams via the draw (see here for one of many examples). I see no reason this page should be an exception to that practice. Wburrow (talk) 20:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to the hidden text issue: there is a reason we have the edit history: to look back on revisions and, if necessary, copy content from said old revisions. Even if the hidden content was to be removed again later, we still have said edit history to recover that content when the time comes, even if we're only restoring part of the old content and not the whole. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 03:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]