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Requested move 12 January 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 10:23, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

5-ji Kara 9-ji Made: Watashi ni Koi Shita Obōsan → 5→9 From Five to Nine – Articles about TV programs should be titled after what the program is tiled for an English-speaking audience. This one is titled 5→9 From Five to Nine on Viki, and that is also the title it is sold under by its original network: https://www.viki.com/tv/38125c-59-from-five-to-nine https://www.fujitv.com/drama/5-9-from-five-to-nine/ https://www.fujicreative.co.jp/for_buyers/more_info/tabid/106/pdid/696/Default.aspx

However, that title uses an unusual character, and I'm not sure if the Manual of Style allows it to be kept, nor what it should be replaced by. That title also lacks a colon where it should grammatically have one; 5→9: From Five to Nine makes more sense, but it isn't what any of those pages use. 2A00:23C7:5485:2C00:604A:E3ED:DF43:D48D (talk) 03:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 18:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Move to 5→9: From Five to Nine per WP:USEENGLISH. I think adding the colon for readability is helpful and appropriate, especially since "From" is capitalized in the sources, but according to our rules on short prepositions it would not be able to be capitalized if there is no colon there. So to preserve that capitalization, we need to insert a colon or else it would be lost. If we don't add the colon, then the title will have to be 5→9 from Five to Nine. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:09, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move as originally proposed, i.e. to 5→9 From Five to Nine. The common usage seems fairly clear, and there is no need for us to add a colon which isn't found in sources, just so we can capitalise the "From". We can just capitalise it anyway, per WP:COMMONNAME and/or WP:IAR.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to From Five to Nine. Currently redirects to this article and always has, following its several moves, including a possible cut-and-paste. There is no need for more natural disambiguation than this. It is trivially more concise than any title of which it is a substring. Andrewa (talk) 00:59, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as proposed What Amakuru said. This is an interesting case that highlights some of the absurdities that come up in move discussions discussing if we need to ignore usage in reliable sources in order to adhere to our manual of style on capitalization and punctuation -- the idea that we need to add in punctuation to the title, contrary to its usage in sources, so that we can meet its common name capitalization, or otherwise we would be forced to break with sourcing to use a lowercase version, is ridiculous when there is a clear answer to "what is the common name in English language sources." Let's go with that clear answer, rather than intentionally choose to use a version that we know is not the commonly used one!--Yaksar (let's chat) 22:36, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merge proposal[edit]

I propose merging From Five to Nine (manga) into 5→9 From Five to Nine per WP:WITHIN. The current article about the television drama is a stub, but it has a longer edit history and is linked to other language Wikis about the manga. However, I see really no reason why these two articles should be separate. lullabying (talk) 07:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • Withdraw: Based on the statements made in this proposal, I feel it's a better idea to merge to the other article and will thus be withdrawing this request. lullabying (talk) 20:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and consider adding "Manga" section into the drama. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. These are separate things. Best to keep them as different articles, which each can focus on their own area without having to qualify and caveat everything as to which media it is.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The drama is an adaptation of the original comic and was only 10 episodes long. It's also a stub that's mostly unsourced that can be better integrated as a sub-section of the manga. Multiple manga-related articles already do this. lullabying (talk) 09:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Then your proposal should be the other way around: this drama should be merged into the manga article, since that's the original work. Neocorelight (Talk) 11:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The TV drama has a longer edit history and is also linked to the Wikidata item about the manga. Is it possible to still make it about the manga? lullabying (talk) 17:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Wikidata item this article is linked to is Q11188068, which seems like it should be about the TV drama based on its statements. That being said, some of the interwikis are actually about the manga and thus should be moved to a separate item since the manga and the TV drama are separate topics. When it comes to your comment about edit history, I fear that an attempt to make this article be about the manga would be hijacking. I'm aware this page has a longer history, but as long as it's kept as a redirect I don't think that would be an issue. Link20XX (talk) 18:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The articles in German, Italian, Japanese, Chinese, and Korean that are linked to this Wikidata item are actually about the manga and should be changed to the item for the manga. Based on this, I would oppose merging the manga into the TV drama article (which is your proposal), but I would consider supporting merging this article into the manga. Link20XX (talk) 16:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That would be fine with me too. lullabying (talk) 17:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per my comment above and Link20XX. Should be the other way around. Neocorelight (Talk) 22:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose: As others said, it should be the other way around. But I don't think even that's necessary. Lunar-akaunto／talk 14:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Episode Titles[edit]

The episode titles need English translation as this is an English Wikipedia. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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