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VartanM, if there is a lack of sources, then you need to be WP:BOLD and provide them rather than tagging articles as you are not random reader but experienced editor here. Gülməmməd Talk 15:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gulmmamad, if I wanted to be BOLD, I would merge and redirect the article, because it has no potential of growing past its stub size. Now, be nice and provide a neutral source for the claim of it being the first FM station in Caucasus. VartanM (talk) 18:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the unsourced claim about the station being the first one on the moon(you know what I mean). VartanM (talk) 20:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I added source showing it is not only first on the moon but also in the Universe! BTW, if I say the elephant can fly, so it does. This is because I know what I am writing in Wikipedia! Next time try to find the sources by yourself for what you believe is not true rather than removing them as I don't write incorrect things. And also the fact wasn't against Armenia that you above said provide neutral sources or was it? Gülməmməd Talk 20:31, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Notability of this article was never questioned. VartanM (talk) 17:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems you still don't believe the ANS ChM radio is "the first FM radio station in the Caucasus and Central Asia regions". This hasn't been claimed by Gulmammad but by the United Nations Development Programme. You didn't want to be WP:BOLD and therefore per your rude request I provided at least one reliable, neutral source, which tells exactly what I have told. Gülməmməd Talk 06:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear sir, un-az.org is not a neutral source. It's a website written and mainted by Azeris. And you need to pay close attention, FM radio stations existed long before 1994, they were called УКВ. But wait here is a neutral source from March 1994 that says Armenia had three(3) FM stations, thats 3 months prior to your claim. ....Weired..... --VartanM (talk) 06:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
First, .com is not reliable source. Second, the site that you see URL contains az is subsite of the UNDP which is for Azerbaijan. Similar one is for Armenia [1] and it contains .am. I see no tragedy here and they are expected to be neutral. Note that the source talks about private, independent FM radio (Frequency Modulation radio). УКВ (Ултра коротких волнах-Ultra Short Waves) were range of broadcasting frequencies not radio station. Gülməmməd Talk 06:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

First, If .com's are not reliable then we have to remove 97.5% of all sources from wikipedia. As for ru:УКВ you're right, but those short waves, which eventually turned into FM waves, carried radio station programing. But forget about YKB's, you need to address the existence of 3 FM stations in Armenia that were there as of March of 1994, thats at least 2 to 3 months before ANS ChM lunched. Also, before you make anymore claims that .com's are not reliable country-data.com which says "Ten AM and three FM radio stations broadcast from Erevan, Kamo, and Sisian. Broadcasts are in Armenian, Kurdish, and Russian to points within Armenia, and in those languages plus Arabic, English, French, Persian, Spanish, and Turkish to points outside the country." Data as of March 1994. This can also be of your interest[1]

Second, like I said before un-az.org/undp is run by Azeris, they're office is located at 3, UN 50th Anniversary st, Baku AZ 1001, Azerbaijan. So, no its not a neutral source. VartanM (talk) 17:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's a UN agency first off. Secondly, as my edits indicate, it is merely aggregating stories from the BBC Monitoring Service. Every publication in the world has some real or imagined bias (for example, Republicans in the US hate the New York Times thinking it has a "liberal bias"), but that does mean they are not good citation sources. Finally, I tried to clarify that the claim was that the station was the first "private and independent" station in the region. When I took a look at your citation above, it was clear to me that the three FM stations referred to in Armenia were operated by the State. --Friejose (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The source you added is radio stations own official website[www.radio.ans.az/about.php]. And it says nothing about the station being private and independent. I have nothing against UN, but when were talking about UN development programme that is put together and is written by the citizens of the host company, it becomes non-neutral. VartanM (talk) 19:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's their claim on their own website, and the BBC article aggregated by UNDP reiterates it. Your implication that no Azerbaijani can, prima facie, ever be neutral is problematic for obvious reasons. Your source above that purportedly says there were previously existing private FM stations, does no such thing as those are clearly Government-run stations. This statement is properly sourced. And frankly, I'm a little bit confused why such a claim bothers you so much. Do you own shares in another station that makes the same claim? :) --Friejose (talk) 19:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, radio station can claim a lot of things about itself, and it won't be neutral. In this case it claims to have been the first FM station in Caucasus(nothing about private and independent). The source I provided disputes that. I wouldn't mind any of this sources if they were being used to claim ANS as first in Azerbaijan, but Azeri sources are claiming for being first in something that they were not. I haven't even searched for Georgian radio stations. Shall we talk compromise? I suggest changing "first" to "one of the first". VartanM (talk) 20:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All right, all right, it's all about consensus, right? "One of the first" is fine with me, along with the statement along the lines of "station claims to be the first." How's that? --Friejose (talk) 20:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As long as the claim of being first is attributed to them, I'm fine with that. Good doing editing with you Friejose. VartanM (talk) 21:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
VartanM is right, the radio station can claim a lot about itself and therefore that is not neutral to cite for such claim to the site of the station. Here is a neutral source (BBC Monitoring research) which does the claim 1. Let us consider this one instead of the site of the radio station. Any thoughts? Gülməmməd Talk 20:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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