Talk:AP United States History

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Suggested move[edit]

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The result of the proposal was moved as requested. bd2412 T 16:39, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

– Use common name. I think I can count with one hand, how many times "Advanced Placement" was mentioned in my AP Psychology class. Most of these were moved in July 2009 by an inexperienced editor. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 21:12, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. "AP" is much more common, and this move would be akin to articles titles like BBC. Furthermore, Google Ngram Views demonstrate that the usage of "AP [subject]" is much, much more common than "Advanced Placement [subject], as can be seen in my links below. Trinitresque (talk) 06:42, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to point out in addition to very high usage rates in books as shown by Google Ngram View, which shows "AP [subject]" being 5 to 15 times more often than "Advanced Placement [subject]", the makers of the AP tests also primarily use AP over Advanced Placement. If you look through their official website on AP testing at http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/ap/, you'll see that "Advanced Placement" almost never appears. Furthermore, if you look at their Course Description PDFs of each test (examples here and here) you'll see that they use "AP [subject]" often but never, ever use "Advanced Placement [subject]". For example, there are hundreds of mentions of "AP Biology" in biology's PDF, but zero mentions of "Advanced Placement Biology". And in the about page of AP testing, the CollegeBoard doesn't even once refer to the tests as Advanced Placement! In fact, they don't even make it clear that that is what "AP" even stands for. Trinitresque (talk) 05:38, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. "AP" is much more common, and this move would be akin to articles titles like BBC. Trinitresque (talk) 06:42, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. See[1]. I would recommend using the full name for the title, but after first mention, using AP whatever within the article. I am surprised to see them called "a course and an exam". I always thought you just passed the exam to get advanced placement. Even if it was moved to say AP Biology, it would also need to say (Advancd Placement Biology), and the redirects all certainly exist, so I am not sure that moving them does anything. To see why we use BBC see this Ngram.[2] Apteva (talk) 10:53, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's incredible. Thank you for introducing me to the Ngram Viewer, I think it gives us even more evidence for making these moves. Have you yourself tried searching for AP Biology vs Advanced Placement Biology, or AP Calculus vs Advanced Placement Calculus? I just have. And it turns out that the "AP" is used far more often than "Advanced Placement", at very similar rates to the usage of BBC over British Broadcasting Corporation. Here, I'll link them for you: ~~[3]~~, [4] [5]. Do you need more? Trinitresque (talk) 01:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The first one is not much good because of a well known news organization, Associated Press, that shares the AP abbreviation. The second one, chemistry, has a ratio of 5.33 (84%), the third, biology, has a ratio of 13.44 (93%), while BBC has a ratio of 28.96 (97%), and calculus is 4.24 (81%). Apteva (talk) 05:12, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shoot, I knew there was something I was forgetting. Nonetheless, hello... an 81% ration means that AP Calculus is used four times more often than Advanced Placement Calculus. A 93% ratio means that AP Biology is used thirteen times more than Advanced Placement Biology! You can't say that these moves shouldn't be made because usage rates like 19% and 7% aren't low enough.

Heaven help me, but I agree with Apteva. This is a move that serves very little useful purpose. The expanded term is not so rare as to cause confusion among those familiar with the topic, while the condensed form may cause confusion among the unfamiliar. Powers ^T 22:41, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I support the move. As an AP student, I agree that the "AP" acronym is much more widespread and effective. According to Google Trends, AP United States History has a search index of 32 of 100 vs. Advanced Placement United States History has a google search index of 8 of 100.

Some more examples are included below:

Class	Advanced Placement	AP
World History	0	36
European History	0	22
Chinese Language and Culture	0	1

--Richiebful (talk) 23:05, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Although Associated Press is the first thing that comes to mind when I hear "AP," there's little to no potential for confusion with these clearly academic titles. No other options at AP#Education seem likely to cause confusion either. --BDD (talk) 19:44, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Clearly the common names.Cúchullain ^t/c 22:06, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Cheers, Rai•me 05:24, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Using the initials still may cause confusion, or delay while people work out what is meant. Use the full words. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:04, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We're talking about page name changes, not changing the lead. Trinitresque (talk) 19:48, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support. As long as you mention its Advanced Placement initially, and then use the AP abbreviation, then I think this is fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheeCakee (talk • contribs) 14:18, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

New 2015 curriculum[edit]

As a student currently enrolled in AP US history, I was curious to know whether this page reflected the massive changes that have been put in place for the 2015 AP test. If this page reflects the old test and the themes, periods, and grade scales used for it, it should be changed as soon as possible. This year (2015) is the first year the AP test will be changed, and my teacher, who has taught the class for years, has had to reshape his entire curriculum to fit the new (and largely developing) standards for the AP test. There are websites, such as http://ap.gilderlehrman.org that are as up to date as possible with the new AP standards, and have been progressively releasing more and more online and interactive content since for a few months now. They still do not have all the new content released as of yet, and are currently developing resources for "Period 8, 1945-1980." Please, if any of this information has not been revised (I don't know the specific details of the old course, this being my first AP year, and not being able to compare) I would ask you to consider these changes! I would be willing to write a summary of the changes, or anything I discussed above, as an edit to the article, so please let me know! Thanks, hope I could help.. Hogey14 (talk) 19:19, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a student too. With the test being tomorrow, I think somebody who manages these pages will update it.--Thejfh1999 (talk) 00:20, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Source for Separation?[edit]

In regard to these lines here:

   When AP exams were first implemented, English Language and English Literature were initially combined. They separated in 1980.
   
   — From "AP English Literature and Composition"

Is there a source for that? As late as 1985, AP English classes were offered without any further distinction made. The focus was certainly more literature than language, but it was still called AP English and the test bore the same name, if I'm not mistaken.

— Emerald Evergreen 08:41, 18 March 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisa Beck (talk • contribs)

American liberal POV regarding conservative pushback?[edit]

Are there notable instances of American liberal reactions in response to American conservative pushback towards the APUSH course? Dhndz49 (talk) 00:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]