Talk:A Very Trainor Christmas/Archive 1

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Archive 1

GA Review

Passed.

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:44, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):
    b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a. (reference section):
    b. (citations to reliable sources):
    c. (OR):
    d. (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a. (major aspects):
    b. (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
    b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

I will get on with this starting from today! --K. Peake 07:44, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

  • The ref is not needed in the infobox when that single is already sourced in the body
  • "released the album on" → "released it on"
  • "Trainor involved her family members in its creation, co-writing its songs with" → "Meghan Trainor involved her family members in the creation, co-writing songs with" to be less wordy and per MOS:SAMESURNAME
  •  Not done I find the switch to full names mid-article very jarring. Removing the surname's repetition for Gary solves the problem.
  • "and her father, Gary Trainor. It includes" → "and her father, Gary. The album includes"
  • "The album was supported by" → "It was supported by"
  • Wikilink music videos
  • "towards her charisma" → "towards Trainor's charisma"

Background

  • Img looks good!
  • The term "forayed" is not appropriate for Wiki; use something more formal
  •  Not done Cambridge defines foray as "a short visit, especially with a known purpose" so its usage here makes sense and I actually can't think of a better alternative.
  • "to complete the album:" → "to complete her Christmas album:" to be specific
  • Wikilink music videos
  • "to feel like "a pop Christmas"," → "to feel like "a POP Christmas"," per the source
  •  Not done per MOS:ALLCAPS as pop is not an acronym or initialism.
  • "she officially announced" → "Trainor officially announced"

Composition

  • "Jenna & Marcus Toney" this is two people so shouldn't it have the word "and" unless they operate as a duo?
  • I checked Apple Music and they treat this as a band-type stage name
  • "Trainor stated that she" → "Meghan Trainor stated that she"
  •  Not done per above.
  • [14] should be re-invoked at the end of the Earth, Wind & Fire sentence per that using direct quotes
  • "song "Christmas Coupon" and covers" → "song "Christmas Coupon", and covers"
  • "vocals on which she insists" → "vocals and insists"
  • "current-day pop" according to" → "current-day pop", according to"

Release and promotion

  • Remove "the song" introduction to "My Kind of Present" since you have already done this
  • Mention the single release was in 2020
  • "and a huge red bow." → "and a large red bow."
  • Pipe Christmas in Rockefeller Center to Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree
  • "from her husband, Daryl Sabara, and" → "from her husband Daryl Sabara and"
  •  Not done Trainor only has one husband, so his name is not necessary to identify which husband is being talked about.
  • Disney Parks Christmas Day Parade should be italicised

Critical reception

  • Merge with the below section and retitle to Reception
  • "Critical commentary for the album was" → "Critical commentary for A Very Trainor Christmas was"
  • "the most ebullient but" → "the most ebullient, but"
  • "and believed it had the potential" → "and believed in the potential"
  • I have retained the "it", otherwise it sounds like the critic believes in his own potential to become a go-to Christmas soundtrack.
  • "He opined it" → "He opined the album"
  • "cheerful and charismatic and" → "cheerful and charismatic, and"
  • "with integrity and do not change" → "with integrity that does not change"
  • "and its momentum is" → "and the momentum is"

Commercial performance

  • Make this the third para of the above section
  • "It entered at" → "The album entered at"

Track listing

  • Good

Personnel

  • Good

Charts

  • Good

Release history

  • Label → Label(s)
  • The digital download releases are not actually sourced as various regions

References

  • Copyvio score looks great at 28.1%!!!
  • For refs 16 and 46, cite multiple regions if you need to back up a various release
  • Added as suggested!

Final comments and verdict

  •  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; proud I got this done within one day! --K. Peake 19:34, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Thanks for another great (and swift!) review, Kyle Peake! Always a pleasure working with you. All done except for some of the points I disagreed with.--NØ 21:20, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
  • MaranoFan The only problem remaining is the commas for her husband, as this implies it is a separate person from the man listed. --K. Peake 19:20, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Kyle Peake I can see how it might appear so but it's actually not the case. From The New York Times, "The basic idea is that if the name (in the above example, “Jessie”) is the only thing in the world described by the identifier (“my oldest friend”), use a comma before the name (and after it as well, unless you’ve come to the end of the sentence). If not, don’t use any commas." In this case, "Trainor's husband" can only describe Sabara.--NØ 19:23, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
  • ✓ Pass now, I totally understand your explanation and thanks for it! --K. Peake 19:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 21:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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Improved to Good Article status by MaranoFan (talk). Self-nominated at 19:38, 8 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/A Very Trainor Christmas; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - see below
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hi, MaranoFan. Review as follows: article is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, neutral and plagiarism-free. Both of the hooks are interesting with preference for ALT1 because "work" is a bit vague (like, is it promotion or recording or writing or release or something else?). I'm having trouble locating "she considered her child a present". Could you clarify for me? Thanks. QPQ has been done. Pamzeis (talk) 07:24, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Pamzeis, hopefully you're enjoying this article :) That part of the hook pertains to the description of "My Kind of Present" in the Composition section; she describes the subject as her "kind of present" and told NPR: "It's, like, my song to my baby. When I perform it live, I do a dance where I tap my belly and I'm like, (singing) you're my kind of present. And it's so cute because I'm so excited for my baby." I don't share your concerns about ALT1 since I'm pretty sure "work" encompasses all of the things you've mentioned, but as long as we both like the first hook it's all good.--NØ 07:32, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Ohhhh, ok, I completely missed that, sorry. I've had another look at the article, and I can't seem to verify the fact that she wore bows because of the song/its subject, only that she wore them in the promotional material. Am I just missing that? Thanks. Pamzeis (talk) 08:06, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
I think there should be some room for creativity with DYKs but, ugh, fine. Here you go.--NØ 08:18, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Pamzeis, thoughts on ALT2?--NØ 13:22, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Good to go with ALT2! Pamzeis (talk) 14:21, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
  • @BorgQueen and Bruxton: Anything else required here? (sorry for the random ping)--NØ 15:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
@MaranoFan: I see that we are settled on ALT2 and I will stick with you to promote the hook. But right now it is not easy to find the hook facts. Can you put the hook in the article so that it is easy for a promotor and administrator to verify? Bruxton (talk) 22:16, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi Bruxton, I have made some edits to the article per your suggestion. The baby being considered a present can be verified at the NPR link above, and Today seems to state Trainor wearing bows while promoting the album during her pregnancy more explicitly. Hope that solves it. Cheers, NØ 19:50, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
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