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Reviewer: ChrisGualtieri (talk · contribs) 17:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC) I'll take this. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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1. http://onlineathens.com/stories/082503/spo_20030825016.shtml has an invalid type (text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1) for .shtml file

There's nothing we can do about this, article loads fine. Hmlarson (talk) 22:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2. Official Site Of Abby Wambach (info) [abbywambach.com] is 404ed

Strange. Looks like it's been down since 12/25 - will wait a little bit to see if it resolves. Hmlarson (talk) 22:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

3. Abby Wambach voted NWSL Player of the Week (info) [brightonpittsfordpost.com] changes path

Modified. Hmlarson (talk) 22:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

4. Associated Press, " Wambach's broken leg mars US win over Brazil (info) [yahoo.com]," Yahoo Sports (July 16, 2008) - path again

Modified. Hmlarson (talk) 22:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

5. 2008 U.S. Olympic Women's Soccer Team (info) [ussoccer.com]. USA Soccer (June 23, 2008) - Dead link

Modified. Hmlarson (talk) 22:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

6. U.S. Women Defeat Norway, 4–0, in Fredrikstad; Wambach Scores 99th Career International Goal (info) dead link

Modified. Hmlarson (talk) 22:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

7. Abby Wambach Scores 100th Career Goal in Hometown As U.S. Women Defeats Canada 1–0 (info) dead.

Modified. Hmlarson (talk) 22:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

8. Colombia player gets Olympic ban for punching U.S. soccer star Abby Wambach (info) [cbsnews.com] - changes path

Modified. Hmlarson (talk) 22:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

9. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland-thorns/2013/01/us_team_star_abby_wambach_leav.html - expiring news link

Not sure if there's anything we can do about this. Article loads fine. Hmlarson (talk) 22:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

10. Abby Wambach Official Website (info) [abbywambach.com] - External linked - is dead. Comments:

  • Lead has unusual specificity on the time: "One of her most notable diving header goals occurred in the 120th minute (120th+two minutes of injury time) of the 2011 FIFA Women's World Cup quarterfinal match against Brazil."
Edited. Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Their mother checked out a book from the library explaining how to play the game, and from then on soccer became part of their family tradition. "I think I was bred to do what I do now," Wambach said in an interview." needs the citation because it is the end of the sentence. Required by BLP policy and not just at the end of the next sentenced as is usual.
Moved citation. Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "By age 10 or 11, she began heading the ball over defenders and running around them.[7]" is directly taken from the source which reads, " By 10 or 11, she began heading the ball, not yet on goal but popping it over defenders and running around them." Everything needs to be written in your own words.
Copy edited. Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The source reads: 96 assists 50 points 242 game winning goals 24 and hat tricks 10 holds and the text reads " 96 assists 49 points 242 game winning goals 24 and hat tricks" Also, its not to the right source. It should be citing http://www.gatorzone.com/soccer/bios.php?year=2001&bio=wambach.html and I don't like how the text matches word for word, but little can be done about stats.
Modified. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Of the team's turnaround, Wambach noted, "Early on in the season it was difficult to get everyone on the same page. Mia was out, we had just started playing with the Chinese players, Steffi hadn't come yet. There were so many factors that went into us not playing as well. Since people have returned, and we have been able to grasp what exactly one another was doing out there, it's been easier to get results." A 70 word quote... is it necessary?
I think it provides significant context. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Wambach was a three-year captain for the Rochester Spirit club team and named All-Greater Rochester Player of the Year in 1995 and 1997. " needs cite
citation added. Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opinion, needs clarification and a cite: "Considered the top college recruit in 1997, Wambach was intensely sought after by numerous colleges, including top soccer programs such as the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, UCLA, University of Portland and the University of Virginia."
Citations moved/added. Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Florida's program had only been in existence for three years; however, the challenge of joining a less established team over a team like North Carolina with a long history of championship titles appealed to Wambach." - conjecture and needless "however" - a word to typically avoid.
See 1:04-1:30 in source. I moved the citation so it's directly after the sentence. Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Over ten years later, she remains the Florida Gators' all-time leading scorer with ninety-six goals." - Please cite this or address it in some fashion.
Citation added. Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WUSA[edit]

  • Citation needed: "In 2002, Wambach was selected second during the first round of the 2002 WUSA Draft by the Washington Freedom for the second season of the Women's United Soccer Association (WUSA)."
Citation added. Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "After tying with the Carolina Courage for last place during the previous season, the Freedom hoped to turn things around in 2002. With Mia Hamm out for the first half of the season for knee surgery and recovery, the Freedom found themselves in sixth place. After Hamm's return, the team finished the remainder of the season 9–1–2, finishing third with a berth into the playoffs." Unsourced.
Citation added. Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During the semifinals, the Freedom upset the Philadelphia Charge 1–0. " - cite
Citation added. Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During the final against the Carolina Courage, the Freedom lost in front of 12,000 spectators at Herndon Stadium in Atlanta." not really relevant to how many people were present.
Why do you think it is not relevant? Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During the 2003 season, Wambach tied with Freedom teammate, Mia Hamm for the league's scoring lead with 33 points. Her contributions in Washington helped to propel the Freedom to a victory in the Founders Cup III, where Wambach was named the MVP." Not sourced.
Citation added. Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

NWSL[edit]

  • "In 2012, a new professional women's soccer league was announced in the U.S. that would be built around national team players from the United States, Mexico, and Canada." Just doesn't flow well, please reword this.
Copy edited and citation added. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "After missing the preseason due to national team commitments, she made her debut on April 14, 2013 during the team's season opener against Sky Blue FC." unsourced.

International[edit]

  • "Having played in just six international matches, with three starts, before the 2003 World Cup, Wambach led the United States squad in scoring with three goals at the tournament." unsourced.
Added citation. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Before a stadium filled with over 34,144 spectators at RFK Stadium in Washington D.C., " again, why do the spectators matter?
  • "During the squad's second tournament match against Nigeria in Philadelphia in front of 31,553 spectators," same as above.
  • "After defeating Germany in overtime during the semi-final, the U.S. faced Brazil for a second time in the Olympic final. Wambach's 10-yard header in the 112th minute off a corner kick from Kristine Lilly gave the U.S. a 2–1 victory and the gold medal win. Her last-minute goal was hailed as one of the five biggest goals in U.S. history by ESPN in 2011." unsourced, but the last one is really a contentious claim that should be sourced, especially because we have a claimant (ESPN) which should be verifiable.
Moved references + copy edited to specify women's national team history. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Olympic win also marked a kind of changing of the guard for the team as it was the final competitive international match for veteran players Mia Hamm, Joy Fawcett and Julie Foudy, who had played with the team since the first Women's World Cup in 1991." Seems like editorializing.
copy edited and added a few refs. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Heading into the 2007 FIFA Women's World Cup, the national team had not conceded a game in regulation time in nearly three years and was considered a favorite to win the tournament in China." More unsourced - this is really specific.
Source already included after the subsequent sentence. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During their first match of the tournament against North Korea, Wambach collided in the air with North Korean defender, Ri Kum-Suk, and landed on the ground with blood streaming down her head. She was sidelined from the pitch for ten minutes while she received five stitches to the back of her head." should still be sourced pre-emptively. Not a big issue in this case though, since the NY times covers it.
Added additional source. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Obviously, it's devastating, but above everything else, I'm only one player, and you can never win a championship with just one player," Wambach said of her injury." cite or change the period to a comma, please.
changed to comma Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "There are obviously tons of emotions going through me right now," Cheney said. "I have the deepest sorrow for Abby, but I am excited to be part of the 18 going to the Olympics." - same here.
changed to comma Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wambach said during a conference call a few days after the injury, "I called Lauren Cheney from the hospital, 'You got to get your shoes out and start running because when you’re told that you were a possibility and now it's a reality, I want you to go there and not feel bad about being selected in this type of way. It won't do you any good or this team any good.' Ultimately, it will not make the team perform better. What's important is that the team going into this tournament is feeling that they can win this. At the end of the day, that's what makes you stand at the top podium." - is a really long quote in an article already overwhelmed by them. Is this really relevant?
copy edited. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Of the goal, she said, "After this year I've had, the heartbreak of not going to the Olympics, all of that pain is worth it," she said. - Prose and quote citation would be needed without a continuation.
copy edited. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • This has awkward prose: "In the history of all World Cup matches – men's and women's – Wambach's goal set a new record for latest goal ever scored in a match.
copy edited and added reference. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During the final against underdogs Japan, Wambach's trademark header goal during the first half of extra-time (her fourth in the tournament), made her the United States' all-time scoring leader in FIFA Women's World Cup history with 13 goals, second to Brazil's Marta and Germany's Birgit Prinz (14 all-time goals each)." is not sourced to the source at the end of the article. Or if it is, I couldn't find it, but this is a specific claim that should be cited.
added reference Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Wambach scored the first goal for the U.S. at the 2012 Summer Olympics in London during the team's first group stage match against France on July 25, 2012. Down 2–0 after 14 minutes into the first half, Wambach headed the ball into the back of the net off a corner kick from Megan Rapinoe in the 19th minute. By the 30 minute mark, the Americans had tied the game with another goal from Alex Morgan. With another goal from Alex Morgan and one from Carli Lloyd during the second half, the U.S. defeated France 4–2." - Its clear the editor watched the game, but this is not supported in detail by the source. http://www.fifa.com/womensolympic/matches/round=256031/match=300197641/summary.html
2 refs added. Hmlarson (talk) 21:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • " In front of 29,522 spectators at Old Trafford..." spectator count again.
  • "In 2011, Wambach was awarded the Bronze Boot and Silver Ball at the FIFA Women's World Cup. " - is an award without a citation.
added reference Hmlarson (talk) 21:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 2012, Wambach was awarded the 2012 FIFA World Player of the Year, becoming the first American to win the award in ten years after Mia Hamm was voted the winner in 2001 and 2002. Only four other women had won the award previously in its 12-year history, including Hamm, Germany's Birgit Prinz, Brazil's Marta, and Japan's Homare Sawa. " - bit overkill in description.
? Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
copy edited Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Wambach posed semi-nude" - Uh... that's completely nude, but the "features" are covered up. It is presented in a more artistic way than Michaelangelo's David. This article is very accurate and detailed, but this was a weird accuracy slip when I was checking it. The two images and the publication are not erotic or sexualized, but instead show the physique in a tastefully done manner.
copy edited. Hmlarson (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

Sorry to give you so many things to fix, but the longer they are the more likely I am to catch a lot of little issues. The accuracy in the source and the line taken from the source were amongst the first issues I found, making me double check the references through the Duplication Detector for additional cases. The article has 7 images, and the first is arguably the most unusual choice for the infobox because of the background which serves to confuse the form of Wambach. I don't personally like Abby Wambach USA vs Can Sep17, but several of the other pictures are arguably worse. Jogadoras dos Estados Unidos no momento da cobrança dos pênaltis (DSC01176) is nearly useless for instance. I felt overwhelmed by the quotes and the spectator counts were irrelevant to me. It is clear that this is a labor of love, but some of the details are borderline OR since no source was given. Placing it on hold. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 16:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you are saying about the infobox photo. Are you saying you'd prefer to see one of her "in action"? Hmlarson (talk) 21:35, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Just one that doesn't look like her profile is larger than it really is. When I see the image, I see the person behind Wambach as integrating into the figure. For instance, the player's hair from behind Wambach sorta appears like it is coming from Wambach. And the black of the uniform makes the figure line (by the true right shoulder) appear larger than reality. It's not a GA matter, since the pictures are relevant, but the smaller image can play with the eyes some. Though we should move the spectator matter, since that is the only issue I think is undiscussed. I do not believe that the spectator count of the stadiums matter, many dozens of times more viewers see these matches on the TV, why would it be any different than "she scored the winning goal in front of the 642,401 viewers on ESPN." The point being, she made the goal of her own doing and it does not matter how many people saw it happen in the stadium, whether its 1,000 or 100,000 or even 1,000,000 - the focus is on Wambach and not the people who watched the event happen. That's why I think the spectator counts are unnecessary and distracting. Its not a big deal, but please consider it and give me a response. I'll check this over again and likely pass it afterwards. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 22:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I understand what you are saying about the info box photo, but don't personally have the same issues when viewing the photo. If you were to select one from Commons, which one would you select for the infobox? re: spectator counts, I think they're significant/relevant/notable particularly when considering averages for women's soccer games around the world. When Wambach is on the field (even when she's not playing), there is a rather consistent trend toward more people (sometimes record-breaking #'s) in the stands. another ref #1, another ref #2 Hmlarson (talk) 23:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The close crop on "Lionel Messi (2012) and Abby Wambach (2011).jpg" seems to be a candidate on the commons for an example. Though I don't think it matters too much. Your reasoning for keeping the spectator comments counts. I'll just ask one last question: Do you feel that anything is missing from this article or are there any issues you think would need to be resolved before I pass this? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I added a cropped photo to the infobox if you'd like to take a look. I can't think of anything missing or unresolved issues. Thanks for taking the time to do a thorough review. Hmlarson (talk) 01:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Passed. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:21, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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