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City of Aberdeen or Aberdeen City?[edit]

Is it City of Aberdeen? Or Aberdeen City, as in this council website? Aberdeen City is currently a redirect to Aberdeen. Laurel Bush 09:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC).[reply]

And it is Aberdeen City in the crest copied in the article. I believe City of Aberdeen was the official name of the Aberdeen district of the Grampian region (1975 to 1996) and of the smaller "county of city" which was merged into the district in 1975. Laurel Bush 09:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Seems to me now it was City of Aberdeen in 1994 legislation, but the council itself has chosen, instead, Aberdeen City, which is used also in later Boundary Commission reports. Laurel Bush 14:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]



And whoe EXACTLY is Laurel Bush, and what authority does she have??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.36.102 (talk) 19:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

City of Aberdeen → Aberdeen City: The article is about a local government council area, and "Aberdeen City" seems to be the current official name. Laurel Bush 14:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey and discussion[edit]

Add * Support or * Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, or add * followed by a comment, then sign your opinion with "~~~~"

Page moved by Kjkolb, 08:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC). Laurel Bush 14:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Strongly oppose because this is part of a series of articles. Please note that I am writing this after the change has already happened, and am rather disappointed to see it happened without "merge" tags being added, nor any other votes or comments being left here. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 19:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • What series? What sort of entity is the series intended to be about? Laurel Bush 09:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Merge into Aberdeen?[edit]

Please discuss at: Talk:Aberdeen#Merge in content from Aberdeen City? (/wangi 20:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC))[reply]
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Having had the article moved from City of Aberdeen, I am thinking now that, actually, it would be better to merge most of the content into Aberdeen or, rather, to rewrite the latter to make Aberdeen City redundant, except as a redirect.
Aberdeen does seem to need some rewriting, seeming at present to represent some rather confused, confusing notions as to what is and is not the city.
I get the impression that Aberdeen City (formerly City of Aberdeen) may have been intended, originally, as an article about a council, its wards and its political composition, rather than one about a council area. I do feel that Aberdeen should be about the council area (but including history of earlier uses of Aberdeen, City of Aberdeen etc). As regards the council, wards, etc, I suggest an article called, say, Politics of the Aberdeen City council area, modelled perhaps of Politics of the Highland council area, would be the best place for this.
Laurel Bush 12:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Agreed. A separate article (Aberdeen City Council) can be written about the council itself, to go in the Local authorities of Scotland category. Owain (talk) 13:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. (Highland Council, by the way, is currently a redirect to Politics of the Highland council area, which includes info about how the area has been divided between constituencies since its creation as a 'unitary' council area in 1996.) Thinking I should paste a version of my original suggestion, above, into the talk page of Aberdeen. Laurel Bush 13:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Requested move II[edit]

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The result of the debate was previously moved. —Centrx→talk • 04:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PageName → Aberdeen City Council : The article appears to be about, and intended to be about, the city council, not the city or the city area : Laurel Bush 13:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Name change[edit]

I note the reference to a name change which seems to have occurred before council and council area were in official existence (but later than the date of the act under which they would be created). Was the name changed by the district council, prior to its own abolition? Laurel Bush 09:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I think it was done by the "shadow" unitary council, elected in May 1995, who came into their powers in April 1996. Must have been one of the first things they did. Lozleader 16:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If it was the 'shadow' council, then I guess the name change did not become effective until April 1996. Also, it would have been working under the 1994 act, not the 1973 act. Laurel Bush 09:15, 19 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

You'd think so wouldn't you? But see note 2 here: [1] Owain (talk) 09:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Schedule of the 1994 Act dealing with repeals, [2], Section 23 of the 1973 Act was not repealed, so presumably it is still the mechanism for name changes. Lozleader 09:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Info box[edit]

I note the info box does not mention the Gordon Westminster constituency, which includes a northern portion of the city area, but also includes a large chunk of Aberdeenshire. And the list of MSPs looks problematic, in that there is no reference to additional (list) members who also represent the city area, as part of the North East Scotland electoral region. Laurel Bush 12:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I note the recent change to the info box title. The box is about rather more than the council, however, including info about MPs and MSPs. Is it really the right box? Laurel Bush 13:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Also, seems to me the 'one pattern fits all' (template dependent) info box just doesnt work, or tries to do too much, because (1) there is too much variabilty in the relationships between council area boundaries, constituency boundaries (Holyrood and Westminster) and electoral region boundaries (Holyrood), and (2) some council areas are also cities. Besides, the template is designed for articles about council areas, not councils. Seems to me the article needs a simpler info box, tailor made for the article. Laurel Bush 16:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Sorry. Seems not to be the template dependent info box I was thinking of. Still tries to do too much, especially in references to MPs and MSPs, which are not council figures as such. Laurel Bush 17:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Or was I right first time? It is template dependent? Laurel Bush 09:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Aberdeen City Council
Council logo

The logo uses a "simplified" version
of the Coat of Arms
Aberdeen City

Shown as one of the council areas of Scotland
Council control
Liberal Democrats and Conservative coalition
Council website
http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/

I am thinking I should break the template link and prune seriously, to produce something as shown right.Laurel Bush 09:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I am tweaking the suggested infobox (right) to make it more relevant to a council which represents a city. Laurel Bush 16:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Merge suggestion[edit]

I propose that be Politics of Aberdeen merged into Aberdeen City Council. The article name to be used is open to debate, personally I am more familiar with the West Coast convention which use Glasgow City Council with Politics of Glasgow as a redirect; however, I see that the article covering Dundee is Politics of Dundee with Dundee City Council as a redirect. Edinburgh currently also has both a Politics article and a City Council article, which again seems unnecessary and I will be making the same suggestion on those pages.

Much of the content in the two articles (neither of which is particularly large, despite the {{Very long}} hatnote which has been appended to the Politics article; it is only 25,000 bytes, much of which is easily-readable tables and their formatting codes) is repeated, or relates to matters which could be covered under the same article. Some of the content of the Politics article refers to national events such as the 2014 Referendum, but it correctly focuses to Aberdeen voting patterns so its inclusion would be justified in an article mainly on the local authority.

I will mention this suggestion on WP:SCOTLAND for further input. Crowsus (talk) 02:34, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think that these large local authorities merit their own articles. If West Lothian Council and Midlothian Council's merit having their own articles, then Edinburgh and Aberdeen should have their own separate articles. One solution could be that the Politics of Edinburgh article has a:
Main article: The City of Edinburgh Council
link to the main article, therefore solving the duplication in that article? Angryskies (talk) 12:54, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yes, there is a West Lothian Council article (and its absolutely correct that there should be one for each extant local authority), but there isn't an additional Politics of West Lothian article covering the same topics. Really there should be consistency across the four cities, so the question is whether we need eight articles or four. The political history and recent statistical information for Dundee and Glasgow seem to be adequately served by one article so I'm not sure why Edinburgh and Aberdeen need two? Crowsus (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Having considered this, I am now of the opinion that the presence of two articles is valid, and wish to withdraw the proposal; I will instead look to make/seek improvements to the Glasgow article with a view to splitting it similarly into historical and current articles; with sufficient content it would be justified as exists for the other cities, but I would say that the content is not at the required standard and breadth to separate at present. Crowsus (talk) 19:09, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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