Talk:Adriana Lima/Archive 2

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Sources from a fan website

I think we should start deleting those contents. (Number1spygirl (talk) 11:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC))

I have no issue with the content they source, but yeah, the removal of the links themselves is long overdue, so I did it. Some of the other sources deserve some attention for removal as well - Treehugger.com? - for either reliability issues or copyvios. It's a little-known Wiki rule that sites that host material in violation of others' copyright aren't allowed as refs or ELs.  Mbinebri  talk ← 02:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Change Adriana Lima's photo to a better one for Adrianalima.net!!

Can we please change Adrianas photo?!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.116.209 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay guys come on her photo doesn't show the supermodel she is. I was thinking maybe putting this photo up?

http://adrianalimafan.net/gallery/full/1776/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adriana Lima Fan (talk • contribs)

By policy and practice here, An image in the infobox of a living person here generally has to be a "free" image, where the copyright owner allows general use anywhere. That excludes most professional or promotional photos, so most images tend to be fan-taken shots at publicity events. Gimmetrow 01:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, in the website Adrianalima.net the owner allows the use of the photos by others. She just asks for people to write where it comes from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adriana Lima Fan (talk • contribs) AdrianaLimaHolic 01:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

You can sign your posts here with ~~~~. Anyway, the site you give has this on its front page: " We take no ownership towards any of the pictures on the site, and they are copyrighted to their respectful owners. " The site can't release pictures it doesn't own. If you want a different picture, I suggest looking through flickr for a better fan-taken shot that is licensed CC-BY or CC-SA or CC-BY-SA. Gimmetrow 01:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Do you like any of these better? Gimmetrow 01:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


The first one is great. Your really a great help!! AdrianaLimaHolic 01:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, though if you mean the picture with three people, it should probably be cropped to just the subject of this article. Gimmetrow 01:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Im new to this site so how would i go about cropping the photo and then posting it??AdrianaLimaHolic 01:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

You would need some photoediting software such as photoshop, and you use Special:Upload or Wikipedia:Upload to upload an image file. It's not exactly an easy process. Is having the image in the article "as is" enough? Do you really need to change the lead image? Gimmetrow 02:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Well now that you tell me that it's a complicated process i guess that there shouldn't be a need to change the lead image.--AdrianaLimaHolic 02:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. Cropping is fairly easy, but in this case I think it would result in a rather small image. It's uploading here which isn't exactly easy; it's frequently frustrating for new users to figure out. If you want to add a better image here for a current celebrity, it's often easiest to browse flickr and find a good image that seems likely to have been taken by the flickr user. Then contact that user and ask for the copyright terms to be changed to BY, SA, or BY-SA. (NC "non-commercial" and ND "no derivatives" wouldn't be compatible here.) Some users are willing to do that since their image, and their name, ends up on high-profile Wiki pages. If you find a properly-licences image and post about it here, it's likely someone will volunteer to do the image uploading and any necessary image editing. Gimmetrow 02:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only one who strongly doubts the person on Flickr whose account the added photo was taken from legitimately owns the copyright? It was almost certainly taken from among the dozens of such photos from the event strewn all over the internet, shot by a professional press photographer. Some searching would probably reveal the photo existed online long before the Flickr user uploaded it onto his/her account.  Mbinebri  talk ← 02:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Beauty contract with VS

Adriana has signed a mutli million dollar deal for exclusive beauty line for VS. Contract details are always secret, so there will never be an official article on it, but it's been discussed about the other models have them. The girls have their Angel contracts and their Beauty contracts.

here is a post from someone who works with Ale's manager, as well as a friend of mine. I think it's safe to say it's obvious. http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2840552&postcount=1080 http://www.alessandraambrosio.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=975&view=findpost&p=57633

She was not in the 2006 campaign because she was contracted to maybelline, which is why she wasn't allowed in the commercial. Now with ending her long running maybelline contract, she was offered a better deal with VS beauty. So now that her maybelline contract has ended, she has a new contract which is additional to her Angel contract.

Val has said (this really isn't relevant but to say she obviously has a new better contract) that she will most likely beat Heidi and come in second to Gisele this year money wise on the Forbes list.

It should be ok to be added at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 22:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

This all means nothing w/o a source that meets WP:RS. You should know that by now.  Mbinebri  talk ← 03:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Again you break the rules and it's ok, but anyone else it's not...Oi. Anyway I've contacted who's contacted Chris Gay who is going to be emailing me some stuff about the contracts, and I am able to post it then I will ref it and you'll say I can see where your going and you'll let it slide...then it will be ok as long as you break the rules again...I've got a long letter going on you with screencaps of you preaching then breaking your own rules that I will be sending into wiki sometime soon so it doesn't matter to me :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 01:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

So you're going to personally track down info and try to use an email as a reference? Have you read WP:RS or WP:OR at all? You should also read Wiki's policy on making threats, as well as (since you've demonstrated time and again that you're more concerned with making Adriana look good than with Wiki rules) the WP:COI policy.  Mbinebri  talk ← 02:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not making threats, I'm just telling you I'm going to email them about you preaching rules and then breaking them only when to use them under your benefit. I don't need to make Adriana look good, she does that on her own. A separate beauty contract is beyond obvious in those posts and I've had agents back up the fact. Most of the angels have separate beauty contracts and some do not...most of the tie you don't want anything that may outshine little miss Marisa...believe me Adriana would have to fall quite a ways to be as low as marisa is. Anyway, you decide to read between the lines on anything you want to...but when things are obvious and you don't want to agree with them you dont. Hence why the email is being written. As for the email, I think the email from Adriana's actual Agent says a lot! You aren't going to find personal information about the secret contracts of the girls online...again you won't do it or accept it unless you want too...break the rules break the rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 18:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I messed up the links - Sorry - Someone please fix

I messed up the links - Sorry - Someone please fix.

I am new to this and I thought I was in a test window and I saved a change and all the links disappeared.

Sorry.

Could someone who knows what they are doing revert back to the way it was please?

I tried to do that and couldn't figure it out.

Sorry! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.133.227 (talk) 13:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Holy edits batman

JBSupreme IMO just tore apart this page, so I'm adding some things back that need to be there (again like I said eventually this page will be so unaccurate...trying to save what's left)

-The quote on Adriana's language. Adriana is of course fluent in Portuguese (Considering it's her mother tongue) English (listen to her speak it) there have been various clips in which she's spoken french, and she was an huge star in italy were she spoke Italian in several interviews and even learned it to speak in the aired commercials which you can hear for yourself. There is no reason in my opinion this should have been removed.

-Lima's classical music and etc I added back because everything was cited with a fact that I've looked up and everything looks like it meets the qualifications. I've also cited where she speaks about wanting to be a concert pianist, which would also back up that specific fact.

-Charity...I also added that back you can't take out something that has been listed several places and facts have been added as well, and then leave the article about deal or no deal, and delete the information above. I've included a fact yet again, where she states that she does the removed.

-Adriana not wanting to be a model does need a citation needed, but it does not need to be deleted, Adriana has mentioned it on news station interviews such as myfox LA where she talks about being discovered. I added the link. I assume since it's a news video and it's adriana's word it's pretty accurate.

-there is no need to remove the fantasy bra information, it's everywhere that she wore the fantasy bra and for that to be removed...there is no reason at all. The fact that she renewed her contract was in a video interview (that is no on youtube but there is an original link somewhere) where she explains that she did so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 02:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

JBSupreme didn't tear anything apart. Any editor has the right to challenge and remove uncited info, so it was completely within his/her right to remove the info since no one seemed to be looking to source it. And what "needs" to be there is only your opinion, as is the page's supposed inaccuracy. So if you you add info with incorrect citations, don't try to paint another editor in a bad light for removing it. As for some of your other points: the info on Lima's fluency in various languages, it's all original research and therefore has no place in this article; pics aren't reliable sources by Wiki policy, which means the second source on the beauty pageants claim is not technically allowed; the claim that Lima is interested in being a concert pianist can be removed as the citation doesn't directly link to info that backs up the claim; and the interview linked to in reference 38 is dubious enough for removal since it just seems to be a copy-and-paste job by superiorpics from an unknown source. Other of your previous sources are questionable as well, But I'll deal with it later. Mbinebri (talk) 20:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
This article looks terrible!! Not even her birthday has a source!!! Please, somebody clean it. Opinoso (talk) 23:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Like I said guys...ruin it...your just making wiki a really unreliable source. I'm going to make sure our site and every Adriana fan knows this page is not at all accurate, right or correct, and the people controlling it are not doing it correctly.

Also the picture for her pageants, include the picture and the news article from the Brazilian newspaper...sorry but that's pretty reliable. Also if you remove that she can't speak Portuguese and English it's perfectly laughable. I agree some stuff needs some "Citation needed" but stuff doesn't need to be erased at ALL! heck like Opinoso said you could pretty much remove her birthday.....which I'm sure it will be...which again shows that this page is an absolute disgrace. Adriana doesn't have an official site which makes it near impossible for reliable sources, if we can't include verified images, news video, her word, or anything....heck that interview from Superior pictures is an Interview from tearsheet magazine! Heck I can post the picture of the cover! I can even post the photographers site where it says tearsheet with Adriana Lima...so that's pretty reliable as well. But again...the page isn't reliable. As for her languages also...look it up it's quite easy to find on all her bios. So...sorry. Again...make it the most unreliable article...

Also the whole fantasy bra thing that was removed...I'm sorry anyway you look at it, that was ridiculous to remove.

Also about the concert pianist....look at Victoria's Secret show and go to Adriana...I'd screencap it but then again pictures aren't allowed huh? This wiki page is honestly getting worse and worse —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 01:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

There are a lot of people who do nothing on Wikipedia but delete relevant, neutral, verified information from articles. It's insane, and it's why I do not bother editing anymore: there is no editorial oversight, and trying to make Wikipedia more factual and informative is an exercise in frustration. 71.62.54.243 (talk) 08:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Just for the record . . .

She was carrying the kid for "nearly three months" according to sources. This started yesterday on March 26. The earliest possible date of conception would have been sometime in the last week of February. She got married on Valentines Day. I just wanted to put this in just for future reference. 71.182.229.224 (talk) 18:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, turns out the kid was born 8 months after they married, so mid- to late-February sounds about right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.160.251 (talk) 07:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Just to finish off my edit summary

As I was saying, putting in the article that Lima was a virgin until 27 is iffy, as the source has no real way of knowing this. It's likely just an assumption based on Lima's GQ virgin claim, which she later said was misinterpreted. Not to mention, Lenny Kravitz (her former boyfriend) disputed the claim. Since all we can do is assume here, and since that's all any source can do, it's probably just better to leave out any specific mention of her losing her virginity and just let the reader make the same assumption the source made by leaving it as bare facts: Lima said she was going to wait until marriage, and she got married at 27. That's all that can be truly proven.  Mbinebri  talk ← 15:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Adriana Lima said that she was just friends with Lenny Kravitz. You must be on some sort of gossip work.213.13.243.208 (talk) 22:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Concerning her ethnicity, the controversy which has been on-going. According to WP:VERIFY:

The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true

I think Imdb meets the standard of a reliable source. Wapondaponda (talk) 03:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The imdb info in question is from a user-submitted mini bio. That's essentially the same as using a wiki as a source, so no, it's not reliable. Keep in mind that editors here have excluded as sources youtube videos of interviews where the subject herself gives her ethnic heritage. Gimmetrow 03:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
The issue is also that several contradictory yet verifiable accounts of her ethnicity exist. Including them all violates WP:SYN and it really isn't up to us as Wiki editors to determine which individual account is most worthy of inclusion. Better to just exclude it, as the third-party resolution suggested.  Mbinebri  talk ← 13:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Adriana Lima mentions her ethnicity on two occasions in an interveiw on E! and Fashion Tv. Here on the links http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXZdkNAx6sE and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0UPv8gNHXU talk ← 13:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Again, this is the same issue as I stated above. In video one, she says she is Japanese/West Indian/African; in video two, she says she is Swiss/Indian/African. Even if she is all of them and we assume she meant West Indian in video two, WP:SYN does not allow for apparently contradictory sources to be combined, and it's not up to us to say which is more correct.  Mbinebri  talk ← 19:44, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Marriage at the Catholic Church

Adriana Lima got married at the Catholic Church? If so when did this happened? She is a devout Roman Catholic and find hard to believe that she would consider her civil marriage as the most important.85.242.237.55 (talk) 19:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Relationship with Lenny Kravitz

This article in portuguese documents well their two years relashionship, who ended up friendly.[1]85.240.21.98 (talk) 19:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Reliable Source

Celeb Net Worth Do other editors feel this is a reliable source for a BLP? --BweeB (talk) 09:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

That Wikipedia logo across from "Source" makes me a bit nervous, but outside of that the website doesn't raise any red flags for me, and the numbers are as legit as we can assume any can be if they come from Forbes.  Mbinebri  talk ← 13:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Early life

why there is no section that talks about her early life? After reading this page, ok her ethnicity is something that shouldn't be mentioned but what about her parents? That her father left the family when she was six months old or that she actually has two half brothers? VSfan88 (talk) 05:51, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I think there was such a section awhile ago. It probably got deleted due to poor sourcing.  Mbinebri  talk ← 14:29, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Serbian citizen

According to [2], [3] and [4], Lima actually never became Serbian citizen. She applied for the citizenship (there are plenty of sources about that), but it was never granted to her. I am going on to remove false information of her being Serbian citizen from the article. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:18, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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