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The standard spelling as used by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics does not use the apostrophe in the spelling. - Gilgamesh 06:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I 'm a little nonplussed as to why you moved it to 'Afula from Afula on November 10, Gilgamesh. Also why you moved it to 'Afula from 'Afula [yes, sic] a day after placing the Requested moves template here...? But, since nobody else has recorded an opinion, I've just moved it to Afula and hope that that meets your wishes. Please let me know if there's a problem. Bishonen | talk 17:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I support this move. gidonb 21:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Settlements established in 1925[edit]

i'm very much puzzled by the move from "Category:1925 establishments" to "Category:Settlements established in 1925" - maybe it's just me, but why would the word "settlement" be important on this one - you buy a plot of land and you settle it. Afula is was a "settlement" in the modern term that the word is used today. It's not even a settlement, it is a full fledged city. Jaakobou 12:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Afula is in the category Category:Cities in Israel which itself a child category of Category:Settlements in Israel. The Category:Settlements by year of establishment is intended to contain all types of settlements including cities, towns and villages. I choose the term "settlement" as the Category:Settlements is the parent category for cities, towns and villages and because the initial establishment for a place of human habitation can be referred to as "first settling the city/town/village". If you think that the whole category set is wrongly named then by all means discuss or make suggestions at Category talk:Settlements by year of establishment. Greenshed 18:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Lo noladdeti b'Afula"[edit]

When I was in Israel in 1985-6, I was told that in Israeli legend the people of Afula are gullible, and that in Hebrew "Lo noladdeti b'Afula" (literally "I wasn't born in Afula") is sometimes used in place of "I wasn't born yesterday."Songflower 05:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not it frequent use today, and in any case, not a very notable fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.253.32.252 (talk) 00:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

History of the site[edit]

There were two places, called (in the 19th century time frame) al-'Afula and el-Fula. The first was 1-2 km west of the second. al-'Afula was where Afula is now, and el-Fula was where Merhavia is now. The two sites are closely linked in their history and it seems to me that presenting their history together makes the most sense. At the moment the history is confused between the localities. If anyone disagrees, speak up. Zerotalk 08:42, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Some notes: Census1931: Affula p78, 236 houses, 786J+86M+9C+3noreligion; Fula not present but Merhavia is. Census1922: 'Affuleh Tab XI. 471M+28J+62C+2bahai. Fula not present but Merhavia is. Dauphin p701 has both. Pringle Secular Crusader has al-Fula p49, al-'Affula p18. SWPI El 'Afuleh p40-41, El Fuleh p82, see other mentions in that book. Kedar and Pringle, IEJ 35 (1985) 164–179 has history of El-Fula esp Crusader castle La Fève. Robinson 1838 II p328 has both. TIR p67 has 'Afula as Arbela from Eusebius etc. Guerin Galilee I 109-111. Lots of archaeology, eg HA_ESI 121. Stein, Land Question, p54. Shilony p193ff about Fule in great detail incl map p201. This book on Afula. Zerotalk 10:15, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I´m starting to expand both places. Note that Fula is on SWP map 9, while Afula is on SWP map 8.
The following articles would be useful:
Title: Early Communism in Palestine
By: Fred Halliday  
Published in: Journal of Palestine Studies (JPS), volume 7, issue 2, pages 162 to 169
Date of issue: winter 1978
Title: List of villages sold by Sursocks and their partners to the Zionists since British Occupation of Palestine
By: Commission on the Palestine Disturbances of August, 1929  
Date of issue: 1930
.....I have a feeling I have seen that "List of villages sold by Sursocks" before, but cannot remember where.
And note there is something odd about SWP II, p. 101: it says it is about Afuleh, but mentiones a ruined chapel to the south. And that is clearly Fula. Pringle also mentions SWP II, p101 under Fula! This looks like a mistake from SWP. Huldra (talk) 20:11, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, I knew I had seen that Sursocks list before.... Huldra (talk) 20:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the name ("bean"), it is pretty clear that the le Strange-citation refers to el-Fuleh, that is Merhavia (kibbutz). Moving it there. Huldra (talk) 20:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I assume the 1922 data for Merhavia is for Merhavia (moshav), as Merhavia (kibbutz) had not yet been founded at that date? Huldra (talk) 23:34, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Karmon[edit]

We have a problem, in

  • Karmon, Y. (1960). "An Analysis of Jacotin's Map of Palestine". Israel Exploration Journal. 10 (3): 155–173.

On p. 167, Karmon writes that Afouleh on Jacotin's Map of Palestine is the same as el Fuleh on the PEF map, map ref is 177/224.

Alas, 177/224 is Afula, which was el Afuleh on the PEF map. (el Fuleh on the PEF map was Merhavia (kibbutz)). So how do we solve this? Huldra (talk) 23:10, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the Jacotin map does´t help: It says Afouleh for the place, but then adds "Bataille du Mont Tabor 27 Germ an 7. Redoute de Fouleh." I suspect we have to study the detailed reports from those who were in the battle to understand where they have actually been. Huldra (talk) 20:30, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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