Talk:Alan Kippax

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September 29, 2007Featured article candidateNot promoted
November 5, 2007Good article nomineeListed
Current status: Good article

Baseball[edit]

Was the baseball played during the time he struggled to get into the NSW team? If so, clarify. If not, info is in the wrong place. --Dweller 13:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The info re baseball is an aside, hence the use of the word "also", so it doesn't have a natural place in the main body of the text which focuses on his cricket. Baseball was played as a winter sport during Kippax's era, and it is included because (a) he reached a high standard and (b) many Australian cricketers played baseball in the winter, which has had a strong influence on Australian cricket. Phanto282 13:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. On re-read, it seems fine. Sorry for my pedantry. --Dweller 14:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

cn[edit]

I've flagged one where the cite may follow the subsequent sentence.

The cite offered (ie Harte pp 300-301) covers both the blame for Australia's defeat being apportioned mainly to Collins, and Collins' subsequent loss of the captaincy of NSW and Waverley.

However, I'm also bothered by this: "The subsequent omission of Kippax from the touring team shocked everyone associated with Australian cricket.[1]" Does the source explicitly say "everyone"? It cannot be true... as people "associated with Australian cricket" made the decision. --Dweller 14:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected.Phanto282 00:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hooker story[edit]

  1. Were these 8 ball overs? --Dweller 14:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Presumably the "remarkable" record was the largest 10th wicket stand in 1st class history, but a) I could be wrong and b) I shouldn't have to guess. --Dweller 14:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
All 1st class cricket in Australia from the end of WWI to 1978-79 was played with eight-ball overs. The only exceptions were the 1928-29 and 1932-33 Ashes series.
Add Ashes 1920-21, Aus v WI 1930-1 and Aus v SA 1931-32 to it. Tintin 10:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clarified last-wicket record as pointed out. Phanto282 17:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Captain of NSW section[edit]

The formatting of these, in terms of who's being quoted, varies, but should be consistent. --Dweller 14:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC) Formatting now correct as per MOS. Phanto282 17:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Final tour[edit]

  • "Kippax was the third selector on tour, so the press speculated that he was dissatisfied with the decision" I don't understand the connection between the first and second halves of the sentence. To me, it's a non-sequitur. --Dweller 11:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure about including the stats for his grade club - seems a little non notable for a player who achieved so much at international and national levels. --Dweller 11:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He made a small piece of cricketing history when he broadcast directly to England from the fourth Test at Adelaide in early 1937, using a radio-telephone service.[52]" What history? Was it the first such broadcast? --Dweller 11:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kippax was outvoted by Bradman and Woodfull, the English press tried to make it an issue of disharmony in the team.
Could you clarify this in the text? --Dweller 13:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The notability of Grade cricket is a matter of opinion. An average of 53 is outstanding and it is a fact, it is referenced. Grade and Sheffield shield assumed a much greater importance during Kippax's era when Australian cricketers played much less cricket than they do today.
OK --Dweller 13:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • First direct broadcast of a match from Australia to England.
Please clarify this in the text. --Dweller 13:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Phanto282 13:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Personal stuff[edit]

  • "₤6,030" - I've seen pound signs wikilinked elsewhere, to disambiguate. I presume this is sterling? --Dweller 11:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In later years, Kippax was an A-grade golfer" What's an A-grade golfer? Could do with a wikilink. --Dweller 11:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Australian currency was ₤/s/d until February 1966, at a value roughly equivalent to sterling. I thought it was implicit that if the match was played in Australia, then the takings would be an Australian denomination.
It would be clear, except non Australians may not realise that the currency used to be £s. I certainly didn't know that. --Dweller 13:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • A-grade or pennant golf is the highest level played by amateur club golfers.
Please clarify in the article --Dweller 13:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Phanto282 13:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lead and more[edit]

  • It may be personal preference, but I don't think the single sentence opening paragraph is a good idea. It should be merged. The Rambling Man 11:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's also a [citation needed] in the "Test debut..." section... The Rambling Man 11:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the quote in "Captain of New South Wales" - is (Sir) actually part of the quote? If so leave it by all means, but if not it should go. The Rambling Man 11:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think [Wicketkeeper] should be wikilinked.
  • Consider a graph of his world ranking.
  • Move the anti-bodyline image actually into the bodyline section.
    • Looks in the right section on IE, though I appreciate it's not. How does it look on Firefox? --Dweller 13:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man 12:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree: the lead sentence came adrift from the first para sometime during the FAC process when the article underwent what I would call over-editing to appease pedantic observations.
  • Issue re the citation dealt with earlier - cite from Harte (ie #15) covers the aftermath of the '26 Ashes series and how it created an opportunity for Kippax.
  • Quote is correct as written. [1]
  • Wicketkeeper maybe an esoteric word for the non-cricket person? Will leave it for now.
  • My personal opinion - I think that world rankings are a marketing gimmick. A player's contribution to a win (or loss or draw, for that matter) is much more relevant in the context of a team game. While rankings are part of the modern game and help us to analyse contemporary players, I don't believe they have a place with players of previous eras. In Kippax's time, Test cricket was England v Australia, so Kippax (and his teammates) were judged on their Ashes records firstly, then on what they accomplished for their state. However, I have no objection if someone wants to put together the relevant graph.
  • I will move the image as suggested.

Phanto282 14:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Teeth[edit]

He reminds me of Gnasher Ward, lol. --Dweller 11:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA[edit]

I have passed this article as GA, as it is well written, NPOV, comprehensive, satisfies MOS and has relevant images. It uses a consistent referencing style. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Late cut[edit]

Is the shot in the picture in the section Alan_Kippax#International_career really a late cut ? The ball seems to be travelling infront of square. Tintin 13:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference Andrews83 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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