Talk:Alberic I, Count of Dammartin

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Problematic description of this man[edit]

The only reliable source quoted here concludes that Aubrey I was son of Odo de Dammartin, of the English branch of the family - ths is a distinct theory from the conclusion that the later counts descended from Aubrey de Mello and his wife Adela. Thus the entire text of this article is an incomprehensible muddle of two competing theories. Agricolae (talk) 20:39, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And now the problem has been 'fixed' by deleting the one option that was documented by a reliable source but didn't have a page number in the cite, while leaving the entirely unreferenced alternative. I am not following the logic of that edit. Agricolae (talk) 01:56, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you are speaking at me, since I am the one that removed;

Medlands Project. An unreliable source, at best. Which I have proven to be wrong(if not outright lying) on at least 4 occasions.
The Cambridge Medieval History, Volume V, Contest of Empire and Papacy', Cambridge at the University Press, 1926. Which I checked for mention of Alberic, Count of Dammartin to no avail.[1]
Mathieu, J. N., Recherches sur les premiers Comtes de Dammartin, Mémoires publiés par la Fédération des sociétés historiques et archéologiques de Paris et de l'Ile-de-France, 1996. Unsearchable to me.

So should not the creator of this article be held to some responsiblility for their creation? I guess not. So far I see source misrepresentation, an unverifiable source, and unsourced speculation. As for "following the logic of that edit", know I have restored this article to its condition before my edits and will hence forth avoid all Grampinator's articles leaving them for what they are. Oddly enough, I thought this was an encyclopedia that was held to certain forms like Wikipedia:RS, Wikipedia:V, and Wikipedia:SYNTHESIS. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:38, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And what ended up being left was no source, misrepresentation and unsourced speculation. To quote a wise Wikipedian, "Oddly enough, I thought this was an encyclopedia that was held to certain forms like Wikipedia:RS, Wikipedia:V, and Wikipedia:SYNTHESIS." Agricolae (talk) 23:47, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]