Talk:Albyric Drummond-Willoughby, 23rd Baron Willoughby de Eresby

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Spelling of name, and 20th or 23rd Baron Willoughby de Eresby[edit]

I photographed this chap's tomb today (see right), and the details on the tombstone contradict those in this article (the dates match, so I'm pretty sure it's the same person). The tombstone reads quite clearly "IN MEMORY OF ALBERIC DRUMMOND WILLOUGHBY, 20TH BARON WILLOUGHBY DE ERESBY, AND 3RD BARON GWYDYR. LORD GREAT CHAMBERLAIN OF ENGLAND. BORN DECEMBER 25TH 1821, DIED AUGUST 26TH 1870, AGED 49." The article spells his name Albyric and lists him as the 23rd Baron Willoughby de Eresby (and also hyphenates his surname). I'm not an expert on the nobility so I don't know which is likely to be correct or how and where to check, but I thought I'd point out the discrepancies. Dave.Dunford (talk) 21:56, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That numbering is probably omitting the suo jure baronesses prior to Priscilla. Lodge's peerage (1832) numbers him as 20th, whereas Cokayne (1898) includes the baronesses and numbers him as 23rd. There seem to be other references numbering him as 21st or 22nd from a quick check of Google Books. Those numbers don't have any sort of official standing—they're essentially a form of disambiguation devised by compilers of peerages—so I think it's best to stick with 23rd as that's consistent with our list of barons. (There are similar issues, IIRC, with the Barons St John of Bletso; the son of the 1st Earl of Bolingbroke sat in Parliament as the 5th Baron, but he predeceased his father and isn't always included in the numbering.) Choess (talk) 22:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks – that probably explains it. I'm glad I didn't barge in and change it in my ignorance. Dave.Dunford (talk) 07:21, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]