Talk:Aletta Jacobs

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Dutch physician Aletta Jacobs's legal challenge to be added to the Amsterdam electoral rolls backfired, leading to a constitutional amendment granting voting rights to men only?

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Untitled[edit]

Jacobs wasn´t the first Dutch female university student, but she was the first one who completed a university study. See the Dutch Wikipedia-entry for details.

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Article not ready for prime time[edit]

This article is full of floral language and has very few inline citations. Very upsetting considering the importance of this historical figure. I am sure the ultra-rightwing and the anti-Jewish segments of the internet are having a ball vandalizing this page on a regular basis, so maybe it needs to be locked until a scholar can get a hold of it. 173.164.81.245 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

"|influences = people to be amazed by dogs" Looks like vandalism to me, I removed it. --78.23.113.239 (talk) 11:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Links[edit]

Two of the three links don't work anymore: Sunshine women and Memoirs.--Ornig (talk) 14:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"suffrage feminine"[edit]

I don't know who wrote this, but "suffrage feminine" simply isn't English!213.127.210.95 (talk) 21:21, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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picky picky (me)[edit]

I'm not comfortable with this sentence:

"Finding the trial was successful, she introduced the method of birth control in the Netherlands (still widely known as the Dutch Cap)[2] and began counseling women on its use.[11]"

Firstly, it appears to imply that the Netherlands is (are?) still widely known as the Dutch cap. That's not what you meant, and would be addressed by a bit of resequencing.
Secondly, I don't think it's called "Dutch cap" in the Netherlands (though I'm always happy to be corrected), and the sentence appears to concern its introduction in the Netherlands. How about adding "...in English speaking countries"?

I'm sorry to be picky because as far as I can see overall you've performed a formidable rescue mission on the entry. But - not for the first time - having had a thought I get an overwhelming urge to share. Feel free to ignore if you don't agree. I don't have access to your source, so I didn't attempt to edit your text. AND very best wishes for what remains of 2019! Charles01 (talk) 20:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Charles01 I love it when you are picky :) . And you are correct, London-based sexologist Norman Haire apparently first called it the Dutch cap which then became widely used.p 181. Thanks for your help! SusunW (talk) 22:55, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Aletta Jacobs/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Valereee (talk · contribs) 19:10, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	well-written, clear, very accessible considering how many long Dutch organization names are necessarily included
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
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	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
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	7. Overall assessment.

prose[edit]

In Early life: "While working as an apprentice dressmaker, she therefore continued her studies at home, where her mother taught her French and German." I can see this was a difficult sentence to cast. The 'therefore' refers to the previous sentence rather than the first phrase of this sentence. I'm trying to figure out how this could be recast. --valereee (talk) 19:15, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done rewrote as "To continue her education, Jacobs worked as an apprentice dressmaker and studied at home, where her mother taught her French and German." SusunW (talk) 13:39, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The final quote -- it was published in 1996, but do we know when she wrote it? --valereee (talk) 20:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done added 1928 per the source. SusunW (talk) 13:39, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

From Early life and education: "When within months, news reached Jacobs' father that Thorbecke was mortally ill, Abraham insisted that his daughter be allowed to register without probation." Does the source say why? Like maybe he worried that with Thorbecke dead, whoever succeeded him would renege on the deal? --valereee (talk) 14:36, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't. "Het nieuws dat Thorbecke dodelijk ziek was bracht haar vader ertoe aan te dringen op een definitieve beslissing, waartoe Thorbecke nog op zijn ziekbed de koning raadpleegde. Enkele dagen na zijn dood bereikte Jacobs het op 30 mei 1872 gedateerde bericht, naar verluidt in een zwartomrande envelop, dat zij zich officieel mocht inschrijven als student medicijnen aan de Rijksuniversiteit Groningen" (The news that Thorbecke was fatally ill led her father to insist on a final decision, for which Thorbecke from his sickbed consulted the king. A few days after his death, Jacobs received a message dated 30 May 1872, reportedly in a black-rimmed envelope, that she could officially register as a medical student at Groningen University). SusunW (talk) 15:12, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SusunW, I figured it hadn't or you'd have mentioned it; it probably seemed clear to the original writer. --valereee (talk) 15:23, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes[edit]

Something, that can be added in all probabilities. Another potential good source is Rupp, Leila J., 1950- (1997). Worlds of women : the making of an international women's movement. Princeton University Press. ISBN 0691016763. OCLC 36800553.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link); I read it quite long back but AFAIR, it throws much light on Jacobs' personal life and relations with contemporaries. ∯WBG^converse 16:21, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Winged Blades of Godric thank you for your improvements to the article. Sorry for my delay in response, but it was my birthday week and I was very busy off-line all last week. Please note that the article has been approved to GA status and as such, citations should follow the style already employed. I will convert your additions, but should you add more data, please maintain the current format. Again, thanks for your collaboration. SusunW (talk) 15:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]