Talk:Alexa Nikolas/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Dubious Phrase

Noticed the following and requested comment:

Alexa recently starred in Am I Me? a disney channel film about a young girl searching for self-actualization amidst the hardships of an unplanned teenage pregnancy, anorexia nervosa, alcoholism, and other typical teenage angst issues that every teenager goes through at some point in their life.

Never heard of this movie, and as there is no way in heck Disney Channel would produce a movie touching on those topics, I brought it up here so someone could determine if the entire thing is vandalism or not. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 19:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

It looks like someone else thought so too, it's already been reverted. I think it's pretty safe to assume it was just vandalism too. For An Angel (talk) 02:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

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BLP's and language choice

To the IP editor who has been consistently trying to change this article's wording – "let go" (e.g. "laid off") is effectively a more accurate wording of the situation at Zoey 101. "Fired" implied that Nikolas was "fired for cause", and no evidence has ever been provided that Nikolas ever did anything wrong except have a conflict with her co-star. Therefore the word "firing" has negative connotations and could reflect badly on this BLP subject, in addition to basically being inaccurate, and should not be used.

Bottom line – please try discussing your concerns at this Talk page rather than continually trying to edit warring your preferred wording into the article. Thank you. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:50, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Lawsuit against ex-husband Milosh

Should we mention her current lawsuit against her ex-husband Mike Milosh as she had made it public as well as there are sources provided?2600:100C:A200:C366:5119:6635:516D:F46 (talk) 20:11, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

OK Magazine is a crummy source – it's equivalent to TMZ or other tabloid gossip rags. That she has filed a lawsuit against her ex-husband at least needs a WP:RS like People to be included. Even then it may be WP:UNDUE, or violate aspects of WP:BLP, but at least its inclusion can be discussed at that point. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@IJBall: she did post her court docs on her Instagram account. It is from her account here and it also verfied on the subject. Although I don't know how Instagram works in terms of sourcing on here, since I've just start editing on here a few months ago... MichaelFansz (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

We can't use that. WP:ABOUTSELF only applies when the BLP subject is talking about themselves. This involves another living person – Milosh has protection on Wikipedia too. We cannot allow this encyclopedia to be a forum where one person can potentially attack another person like that (esp. before any trial is held)... The only way this can be covered is if, 1) it's covered in reliable secondary sources, independent of the subject, and 2) it's reported in a "neutral point of view" manner without an inflammatory rhetoric or claims. Basically, if there is reliable independent secondary source coverage of this, assuming it is not WP:UNDUE, all we can say is "On [X date], Nikolas filed suit against her ex-husband, Milosh." But even that may be too WP:UNDUE. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Website in infobox

Should we include Eatpredators.com as her website on the infobox? It is well established she is the founder and primary organizer of this organization.2600:100C:A205:743B:2D9D:ADF9:FE0E:58A3 (talk) 19:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Bias in Revisions

I read the suggested revisions of @eleanoretheturtle, and the activism section in particular reads like a press release; it's very biased. It does not hold to the standards of neutrality that wikipedia promotes. KlausUlrich134 (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Amaury do you have any thoughts on these notes? Happy to remove/discuss things that seem questionable to you. @eleanoretheturtle also happy to find a middle ground on revisions. KlausUlrich134 (talk) 10:20, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Revisions

Hello everyone,

I have made several revisions to this page after seeing the warning on it. I have added more high quality sources, and tried to frame the controversies as impartially as possible. I hope this is helpful!

Best,

K KlausUlrich134 (talk) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

It seems like they were deleted entirely out of the history now. These do feel like important, sourced context, so I'm a bit confused. @Amaury, please let me know how best to proceed. I did post about the revisions specifically in the chat page, happy to discuss them individually here.

Many thanks,

Klaus KlausUlrich134 (talk) 11:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Just to note, they are still present in the history in the form of older revisions: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexa_Nikolas&action=history -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! @Amaury, look forward to having the discussion to get this page properly sourced and up to date so the warning label can be removed. KlausUlrich134 (talk) 12:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps if I can facilitate the discussion by discussing the changes I made. I made a minor change to the summary section to include her activism work, which is most notable as she is still active as an activist.

I did not touch the career section.

I split the Personal Life section and the First Marriage, Divorce, and lawsuit, leaving the Personal life untouched, as it felt like they needed separate categories. In the previous version they were lumped together, so this felt more appropriate.

I added sources from People magazine, NPR, Billboard, and others to discuss the controversy around their divorce, which has now ended. This felt like a crucial context for Nicholas's activism.

It felt inappropriate to address the accusations without documenting the response, which has been done with both quotes and sources of those quotes.

I created an additional section called "Further allegations" to cover the work Alexa has done on Eat Predators, all of which has received significant coverage. Again it felt necessary to report the responses. when present, as well.

I expanded the activism section to include activism and controversy. I included the history of the movement and its founding, as well as the source of its name from a demonstration at at Diplo concert. I also used a podcast interview with several founders of the same movement to show the controversy around it's founding, as well as its initial intentions.

I included sources for an interview with Nichols on her use of the Barbara Streisand effect, to clarify her strategies as an activist. This came from the LA Times.

This all felt important to include to add better context and sources.

Please let me know which pieces are not working for you, happy to discuss more.

Many thanks,

Klaus KlausUlrich134 (talk) 12:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @KlausUlrich134I took a look at these and feel they're landing good, just not sure about citing the attorneys, as it looks biased. Maybe ditch those? Otherwise seems fair, especially since the main thing she's known for is activism. Tiredelf (talk) 22:15, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Revisions

Hi Everyone,

I made some sourced revisions after messaging with @Magical Golden Whip. This adds closure to the lawsuits and sourced material for the beginning of the relationship. Hopefully this helps close the warning box. @Amaury As always, happy to discuss. Perhaps we can discuss here before simply reverting the page again?

many thanks,

K KlausUlrich134 (talk) 06:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Like I said on my message wall, I reverted due to the reasons by Amaury here [1]. I have not followed this issues, but don't think there is an issue adding it, but, I am just following Amaury's edit since they have been here longer then me. I didn't see the previous messages left to talk about this issue or seeing that Amaury responding to the tags, so I decided it was fiine to add back in after seeing that they tried to engage in census. Magical Golden Whip (talk) 19:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Mike Milosch Accusations

After reviewing the Mike Milosch page, which includes the aftermath of the lawsuit, and was recently added, it looks like libel not to include his response, and not to include that their lawsuits against each other ended. I will try and add this again, with proper citations of course. If it gets deleted again, and I see no response on this page, I will escalate the page to the higher ups, and report the current admins who keep deleting things.

With no responses, and no debate, I can only conclude that the admins are somehow trying to prevent the page from being edited in a way that is truthful. In this case either the page should be deleted or we need new admins.

many thanks,

Klaus KlausUlrich134 (talk) 21:21, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree, can't let this turn into a celebrity gossip page. @Amaury please share your thoughts. Tiredelf (talk) 22:13, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@KlausUlrich134I think it is important to include proper source material and quotations from the Judge that contextualizes the validity of the lawsuit after Michael Milosh's countersuit towards Alexa Nikolas' lawyers was dismissed. Otherwise is appears a misinformation in favor of Michael Milosh when that was not the end result in the court. @Amaury ElanoreTheTurtle (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

@ElanoreTheTurtleI have been looking at the various revisions, which honestly seem to express very strong bias bias. Some examples from the personal life section:

1. A legal document has been swapped for a pitchfork article.

2. Several direct quotes were removed (personal life) along with sources. After the sources were removed, the remaining fragments were removed because it was claimed they were “unsourced.”

There are also multiple new revisions without any description of what they are and why. It feels a bit like a bot army. This is the only instance of someone trying to discuss on the talk page.

@ElanoreTheTurtle as regards your claims, we list a lawsuit directly above against Milosch by Nikolas where her accusations were kept intact. In the interest of fairness, it would seem reasonable to keep Milosch’s accusations, which were also thrown out, as that would treat them the same way as Nikolas’s. Her accusations are present on Milosch’s page, so it seems fair to list each set equally. The presence of the court document allows readers to judge the claims made on their own merit.

I may be wrong here, but your revisions create a page that seems shorter, less sourced, and more biased. You are severely eroding the quality of the sources, the thoroughness of the piece, and the accuracy of the narrative in a way that feels very biased and against the standards of wikipedia. KlausUlrich134 (talk) 11:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Just a note that trial transcripts, court records, and other primary sources can't be used to support claims about living persons. See WP:BLPPRIMARY. Claims need to be supported by reliable, independent, secondary sources. For claims that are controversial or negative (which allegations of assault definitely are), we require top-tier sources—and often multiple sources to demonstrate due weight. Woodroar (talk) 13:16, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Please stop pinging me. I am watching this page and am aware when messages are posted. I have nothing to post about the matter at hand other than to say you've been reverted multiple times by multiple editors, not including this random Elanore fellow. Cease the edit warring or you will find yourself blocked. Amaury • 05:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)