Talk:Alexander Alekhine

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Colorized photo[edit]

I don't know if there's wikipedia concensus on this, but it seems to me colorized photos are a kind of original research. I say stick to the sources and keep things authentic. This dicussion is relevant. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 02:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I really dislike OR and I think it's scary when it invariably occurs in our articles and we fail to spot it.

In the case of colourised old photos, I can see your argument that it could be somehow seen as something that resembles OR, but the choices the artist made on this occasion are not completely wild and look entirely reasonable. Most of the choices seem to have been the obvious right choice anyway.

And the main point for me, is that colourised photos help me to try to get a feel for what this long-dead person was like when he was alive - I wouldn't be able to relate as much with a black and white photo.

And it's not just that it helps my mind engage with the subject more.

It's also that it makes the general public more likely to want to engage with the content, which one of our missions.

In summary I don't have strong opinions about this issue, but whether original or colourised photos bring more value to the table is not a black and white conundrum (pun intended, admittedly so).

Feel free to comment, partially or entirely dismiss my points, or hit me with a trout-sized bishop if you deem it necessary. Dr. Vogel (talk) 03:11, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Capablanca Rematch?[edit]

I mentioned this in the Capablanca Talk page, but perhaps worth including this https://web.archive.org/web/20061111092633/http://www.worldchessnetwork.com/English/chessHistory/salute/kings/alekhine.php in the article, as it indicates a willingness for Alekhine to play a rematch with Capablanca? I don't see why Larry Parr wouldn't be credible but if someone else knows better that would be helpful. CeviLevita (talk) 08:30, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

White Washing Jew Hatred[edit]

The section on the article which starts with thr uncited claim that there was evidence that he wasn’t antisemitic, then goes on to list relationships or friends he had who were Jewish. This is beyond offensive and the exact equivalent of a white person making racist comments then claiming they cant be racist because they have black friends. Anyone who has ever hears this “excuse” knows how offensive it is, and see’s it as a blatant strawman argument to try and normalize their bigotry. This entire section should be re-written, a citation given, and any “evidence” that includes working relationships or friendships with Jewish people removed. 201.237.126.218 (talk) 14:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Photo of grave[edit]

Per reddit the grave site includes a chess board. It's hard to tell in the photo in the wiki article. Assuming the chessboard or its photo isn't some kind of temporary prank, can we get another photo that includes it? 2602:24A:DE47:B8E0:1B43:29FD:A863:33CA (talk) 01:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is so slanted that it reads like propaganda[edit]

According to the article, Alekhine wasn't an antisemite, wasn't really a nazi, was only one of many top players to play in Nazi organized tournaments, didn't make up games, didn't take credit for other players' ideas, was mostly a teetotaler, that it was Casablanca's fault that they didn't play a rematch, that he was loyal and protective of his (fourth!) wife, and that he was murdered by the Soviets.

Most of these views are false, the others are highly speculative, and some are so ridiculous as to shock the conscience.

This article is an example of why so many academics bar their students from using Wikipedia. Fielding99 (talk) 11:38, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are there particular statements, or omissions, that you find problematic? Most of the statements on these topics are dutifully supported by citations of sources that are considered reliable. Bruce leverett (talk) 14:25, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if we're reading the same article. I think the article paints a fair picture. Yes Alekhine did say and write some vile anti-Semitic things, but he didn't necessarily hate Jewish people personally. It is also factually correct that many top players including Keres, Bogoljubow, Stoltz and Foltys played in Nazi-sponsored tournaments. The Soviet murder theory is presented as speculation, as is appropriate. The article doesn't gloss over Alekhine's generally unlikeable personality. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 05:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]