Talk:Alfred Redl

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Explendido Rocha: Good point; he was listed as a "Soviet secret agent" at List of secret agents. I created a separate

Okhrana[edit]

subhead for inclusion of others. There is no larger category as of now for placement. Thanks for studious attention to this. nobs 18:23, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Redl's suicide[edit]

I have a problem concerning Redl's last moments. Another version has it that he was in fact given a revolver and left alone in a room to bring the whole affair discretely to the end. What is more likely then? David

A commission of officers came to see him in his room at the Klomser Hotel and found him desperate and occupied with suicide preparations. However, he had no firearm. After a short interview, the officers left Redl, leaving a Browning pistol behind, expecting that he would do away with himself to avoid trial and subsequent hanging. Which Redl did.

So your version is the correct one (except that it was a pistol, not a revolver). The wording of the article is a bit clumsy. Kauko56 (talk) 22:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dead Link[edit]

I removed this inline [1] when I checked it, it was a dead link, but I didn't want to 'lose' it incase someone else can find something useful at the site. LegoTech·(t)·(c) 17:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Family probably wasn't Jewish[edit]

Quite a few historians which has looked at the case thought otherwise. For example, historian Alan Sked writes:

"They were all too ready to blame his treason on the rumour that he was Jewish, for it was well known that Austria-Hungary had more Jewish officers than any other army in Europe and that the Emperor protected Jews.

His 'Judaism' gained wide currency. From Rome, for example, a Prince of the Church was quoted in the Austrian military attache's report as saying that, 'the Redl case, just like the Dreyfus case, could be ascribed to the international tendency of the Jews, who possessed no patriotic feelings and never would possess any'. Yet Redl was not Jewish. What he was, of course, was homosexual, and it may be that what he did reflect was the growing sexual liberation then taking place in the major cities of the Habsburg Monarchy." [1]

And from historian István Deák:

"As for the real Redl, the documents in the Vienna military archives show no Jewish "blood" in his ancestry. Sadly, all we have is a minor German-Austrian railroad clerk who sent his son to cadet school where he received a tuition free education. The fact that young Redl learned to speak Ruthene and Polish as a child was at the source of his later checkered career." [2]

Since sources disagree, I shall remove this dubious 'fact' from the article.109.64.154.208 (talk) 22:56, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ A Patriot for Whom? Colonel Redl and a question of Identity - History Today Volume: 36 Issue: 7 1986. http://www.historytoday.com/alan-sked/patriot-whom-colonel-redl-and-question-identity
  2. ^ http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=habsburg&month=9611&week=b&msg=erMBTCL7jGITNBWwni5y6w&user=&pw=

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Treason[edit]

The third paragraph in the introductory section seems to directly contradict the first paragraph in the Treason section 2601:195:4180:58E0:91E2:36C:DCBD:238 (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! This (if I can make the link work) seems to confirm that the Russians didn't know about his sexuality and even described him as "a lover of women" (p. 67). [2] Per$1$tenceofv1$1on (talk) 05:37, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also, "Redl's revelations did not have a significant effect on the course of the war." doesn't really reflect what the third and fourth paragraph of the "Treason" section tell us where his success and impact as a Russian spy is described.Chilrreh (talk) 17:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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