Talk:Alice Keppel

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It has come to my attention that the original article comes from copyrighted material from [1]. However, there has been many edits since then, so I don't know if I should tag this as a copyvio, especially since only some of the material from the original, copyvio article can be identified. ErikNY 14:27, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Die, copyvio![edit]

I wrote a replacement for the copyvio text, whenever somebody gets around to knocking this one out of the backlog. Lord Bob 20:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

now knocked -- RHaworth 07:43, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sonia[edit]

And what if Sonia wasn't George's daughter ? -- Beardo 07:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Polish[edit]

How odd - in the Polish wiki, George has a page, but not Alice - http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Keppel -- Beardo 02:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction[edit]

I disagree that Mrs. Keppel was the "most famous mistress" of Bertie/Edward VII. After all Lady Randolph Churchill, Winston's mother and wife (then widow) of an MP, was another of them, as were celebrated actresses Lillie Langtry and Sarah Bernhardt. Dick Kimball (talk) 16:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Husband's Knowledge[edit]

The article states that most of Alice's affairs were carried on with the knowledge and consent of her husband. While this may be startling to some, it is probably true, and we should, if possible, obtain references that support the statement. My high school English literature teacher stated that, in the Victorian times, husbands and wives in royal and noble circles owed each other three to five years, with approximately the same number of children, and after that, were free to do as they pleased, provided they were discreet.John Paul Parks (talk) 22:25, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've also heard this about Keppel, there's probably something about it in histories of the period and biogs of Edward. The latter point, about the "owing a few years and children" is I think unlikely to have been a general aristocratic assumption as your teacher suggested; more likely his role as future King was decisive in influencing both her and her husband. We also of course don't know the state of the Keppel's marriage. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 22:47, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Parentage of Children[edit]

There are several books that discuss how there is a chance that George Keppel was not the father of either Violet or Sonia. At the very least there should be a section discussing the fact that there is a chance that Sonia could have been the daughter of Edward VII — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.127.106 (talk) 15:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It would depend on whether these books did more than simply speculate. Was there rumor at the time of Sonia's birth, and did that rumor have have basis in any fact? History Lunatic (talk) 22:43, 17 September 2013 (UTC)History Lunatic[reply]

It was rumored and, in fact, is now generally believed that Alice was indeed Edward's mistress before, during and after Sonia's birth, but those were much more discreet times than from the Roaring twenties to now. What wouldn't have been clear to any but that threesome was whether the wife had ceased having relations with the husband by the time of Sonia's conception. The outcome could only now potentially be proved by DNA analysis -- which it is manifestly not in the interests of the descendants of either Alice or Edward VIII to allow. FactStraight (talk) 01:42, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The eldest daughter, Violet, born 6 June 1894, had doubts about her paternity and later considered herself the King's child, but she was born before her mother's liaison with the Prince commenced and, as Diana Souhami, says was probably the daughter of (Ernest) William (Beckett), 2nd Baron Grimthorpe, whom she resembled. The second daughter, Sofia, born 24 may 1900, was widely believed to be the Prince's child but, as again Diana Souhami says, she was 'almost certainly' the daughter of George Keppel whom she resembled. The Prince was probably impotent long before 1899. I hesitate to change anything in the article but (as my 2007 book says) Alice was herself born, not in Scotland, but at Woolwich, as can now easily be confirmed by her family's statements in the 1871 and 1881 census, both available online. AnthonyCamp (talk) 09:19, 11 May 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Wartime Florence[edit]

Were they still living in Florence in 1944? They must have undergone some privations. Valetude (talk) 17:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Further Link in text needed[edit]

Link to her husband: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Keppel_(British_Army_officer,_born_1865) - wise to fit in, otherwise one has to go via his father 80.151.9.187 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:24, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Portrait[edit]

I have taken photo’s of the original portrait which I’d like to upload, but don’t know how to from my phone Why Grok (talk) 01:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]