Talk:Allah

About translating "Allah"

One should not use God, as this is a biblical concept with a son. Instead one should look at the quranic initials, where one of them is Ein, which indicates to be used with latin script.

For Example: I am a devoté of Ein, Lord of The Cosmos.

This is a fully fluent translation of this phrase, that reflects the quranic teaching in latin alphabet. 84.215.119.50 (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

No. The English translation of "Allah" is "God" with a capital G. Reliable sources don't say otherwise. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist God is derived from the tribal totemic deity of the Germanic peoples, originallt written as Got/Gott.aaa 2A02:C7C:AEC7:EA00:94CE:CFA3:86F7:8FD3 (talk) 10:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

From where it based into common English, which is the form in which English RS use it. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Is Quran not a “Reliable Source”? Opinionated claims contradicting Quranic content are not accurate 129.137.96.13 (talk) 19:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Seems to be some difficulty of people understanding Ein and it is associated with unserious "Sami" people aswell.

One may want the full association to then Ála and this is the correct spelling for this then. (Or there will be symbolconflict.) Ála The Right God, as the phrase would go. (and God is a word that needs to be supplied a right concept or it will be wrong. The linguistics of right/wrong here are correct.)

Serenity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:FE1:7001:F100:75F7:ACED:5D9C:F2A0 (talk) 09:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Seems to be some difficulty comprehending English. This is the English Wikipedia, and we spell it as "God" with a capital G when referring to the Abrahamic deity (Allah, Ála, Yahweh, Jehovah, whatever), and "god" with a small g when referring to a generic deity. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Small edit request

The etymology section should be reordered to put the most common theory higher (and therefore more prominently) than the minor alternative theory. Currently, we have:

The etymology of the word Allāh has been discussed extensively by classical Arab philologists. Grammarians of the Basra school regarded it as either formed "spontaneously" (murtajal) or as the definite form of lāh (from the verbal root lyh with the meaning of "lofty" or "hidden"). Others held that it was borrowed from Syriac or Hebrew.

Most considered it to be derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- and ilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the deity, the God". Indeed, there is "the interchangeability of al-ilāh and allāh in early Arabic poetry even when composed by the Christian ʿAdī ibn Zayd.

The majority of modern scholars subscribe to the latter theory and view the loanword hypothesis with skepticism.

Whereas, I think it would be better this way:

The etymology of the word Allāh has been discussed extensively by classical Arab philologists. Most considered it to be derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- and ilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the deity, the God". Indeed, there is "the interchangeability of al-ilāh and allāh in early Arabic poetry even when composed by the Christian ʿAdī ibn Zayd.

However, Grammarians of the Basra school regarded it as either formed "spontaneously" (murtajal) or as the definite form of lāh (from the verbal root lyh with the meaning of "lofty" or "hidden"). Others held that it was borrowed from Syriac or Hebrew.

The majority of modern scholars subscribe to the former theory and view the loanword hypothesis with skepticism.

2A00:23C4:6B13:D801:D1E9:18EF:16FF:E5B4 (talk) 13:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done. I agree it's better that way. No content was altered, just a rearrangement of the sentences. I have made this change. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2024

Hello, I have to update “Allah” word usage within Arab Christians, as it is only used within casual chats and not during church prayers or service, as Christians mostly use the word Al-Rab/الرب when referring to God during church prayer and traditions. Youssefa82718 (talk) 10:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 13:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a source? Because most of the article attempts to proof that Christians use 'Allah' for the Christian God. For a contrariy claim, a reliable source is needed. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Reverting?

@User:Ogress was it necesasry to remove all the edits?

I agree that removing fringe sources, although as a GA article there should be no such a thing and simply removing it is much easier than just initiating a GA reevaluation and then proceed with removing all the tags again, but why exactly have you reverted all edits? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand your reply. You inserted fringe material and deleted cited referenced text to do so. Ogress 21:36, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

What exactly was fringe? I removed some fringe theories as mentioned in the edit summary. Furthermore, I re-structured the article's section since it reads like an apologetic essay.

Since you have removed quite a few edits, I woudl apprecaite then you can explain what edits you felt like inappropriate for a GA article. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Your choice to replace existing text with a discussion of Tengrism is undue weight and fringe. Ogress 21:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

This was my last recent edit. Let's leave that out for now (apart from the claim being wrong as I did not replace it). What about the rest? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm struggling with the editor right now so I've restored the content as a whokle; I hadn't intended to revert ALL that, only the last two bits. If there was confusion, I apologise; I was only trying to make that one revert, but my account is acting up; all my presets have been reverted :-/ and my editor is missing. Ogress 22:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Stuff like that happens. Technology isn't always easy. Thanks for that.

I would like to know why you thin references to Tengrism are undue though. I do not want to pressure it to be added, since I see why it might be a niche topic in contemporary issues with Islam and a Western perspective. Nonetheless, the Turks converting to Islam is an important piece of history and even today Muslim Turks use the term Tanri (Tengri) for God, while reserving Allah as a proper name. I see a correspondance between the debate of "Tengri = Allah?" and "God = Allah?". If you still confirm to me that it is too unimportant, I will withdraw my suggestion and assume that I am too much focused on Asian History to make an unbiased judgement abuot its importance. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 22:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Answer

Allah is not in the bible and Yahwah is not is the Quran. Alla, Allah, Alilah. "The god ascends," referring to the rising of the morning sun.

Yahuah, Yahwah. "Life Began." The meaning of God's name.

Mohammad did not know the name of God, so he used the name of a Pagan god.

Al / il / ah = The god ascends, from ancient Aramaic. The word for (God / god) in ancient Aramaic and Hebrew is "il." 72.0.180.119 (talk) 22:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

"Allah" means 'The One God'/'The Only God' as is established in the article and in this talk page. The Quran specifies that this is not his name, but what people are meant to call him -- This is a moot point. 2603:8001:A301:1AAE:4A42:C45A:937:528C (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Non Standard Translatory Description

A translatory description rather than explanatory one is used, in contrast with standard policy on Wikipedia. Translatory descriptions are used in Wikitionary. This is misleading as it conflates the Arabic term with Islamic entity, possibly resulting in neutrality issues. Zeus and Indra also literally mean God. 129.137.96.13 (talk) 19:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)