Talk:Alliance High School (Kenya)

Image needs replacement

Hello all...

An image used in the article, specifically Image:Alliance high school.jpg, has a little bit of a licensing issue. The image was uploaded back when the rules around image uploading were less restrictive. It is presumed that the uploader was willing to license the picture under the GFDL license but was not clear in that regard. As such, the image, while not at risk of deletion, is likely not clearly licensed to allow for free use in any future use of this article. If anyone has an image that can replace this, or can go take one and upload it, it would be best.

You have your mission, take your camera and start clicking.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 01:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Alumni

The Alumni section has had the following tag since July 2013

Having waited over 6 months, only one person had an article written about them and no names had references added.
I have, therefore, removed those names which do not have either a WP article, or extensive, reliable, independent references meeting WP:BLP

In case an editor wishes to consider writing an article about one of these alumni, the removed names are:-

• Samuel O. Ayodo: member for Central Province South 1958. Minister for Commerce and Industry 1960 to 1961. Elected to the House of Representatives for Kangema in 1963.
• Julius G. Kiano: elected Member for Taita/Taveta in 1961 and appointed Parliamentary Secretary to Ministry of Agriculture. Elected for Wundanyi in 1963. Chairman of Taita KANU branch in 1963.
• Mugo Kibati: CEO of Kenya Vision 2030 and University of California, Irvine.
• Joseph N. Kimkung: former Assistant Minister for Environment & Natural Resources.
• Bethwel Kiplagat: former ambassador of Kenya to France and then High Commissioner to Britain; Permanent Secretary Ministry of Foreign Affairs; Executive Director of the African Peace Forum.
• Robert Matano: served as a Cabinet minister in the Kenyatta and Moi governments.
• Bernard Mathu: among the first Kenyans to be elected to the Legislative Council.
• Martin Mbaya: Project Leader, Research Execution at Dalberg Global Development Advisors
• John Gachora Mburu: was Vice President at Credit Suisse, Vice President at credit Suisse Bank of America and is currently the Managing principal, head of IBD Sub-Sahara Africa at Absa, South Africa.
• Njoroge Mungai: a member of KANU's National Executive, he was elected to the House of Representatives in 1963 as a member of Nairobi West. He was the Prime Minister's personal physician
• Ishmael Muriithi: Director of Veterinary Services from 1966 to 1984.
• Dawson Mwanyumba: Minister for Health and Housing in 1963. Returned in 1963 to the House of Representatives for Kitui Central. In 1963, was chairman for KANU in Kitui.
• Segeni Ng’ethe: founder of African Young Professionals in Washington D.C and a Reuters fellow at Stanford University. He is also the co-founder of MamaMikes.com (an e-commerce site for Kenyans), co-founder of Hapa TV media and is a creative director at Channel Safari 76.
• Phillip Ochieng: Columnist in The Sunday Nation.
• Ramogi Ochieng Oneko: Chairman of the Meru branch of KANU winning one of the Meru seats in 1961. Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Tourism, Forests and Wildlife and then to the Ministry of Education in 1962. Returned as a member for Meru West in 1963
• Festo Habakkuk Olang': the first African archbishop of Kenya and bishop of Nairobi in the Anglican church of Kenya.
• Joseph D. Otiende: former General Secretary of Kenya African Union (1951–52). Assistant Secretary for North Nyanza African District Council 1955-62. He became a member of the Legislative Assembly in 1962, and elected to the House of Representatives from Vihiga in 1963
• Joan Waithaka: Principal Alliance Girls
• Samson Waiharo: Tours Operations Manager Hemingways Expeditions

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Was looking for feedback from other users on which image should be added to the page:

The school's official emblem

Alliance High School - School Hall

Meatsgains (talk) 01:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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Really ...

From the outset: "In the early days of the colonial era in Kenya, the colonialists believed that Africans should not be allowed an education beyond the basic level as they would not benefit from any higher education. The rationale was that Africans were only useful as a source of cheap labour. Missionaries who had been arriving in the country from the beginning of the 20th century strongly opposed this idea. "

The Colony of Kenya was formed in 1920. You state that the attitude you allude to was negated by the Government in 1923 (3 years later) which stated explicitly that the interests of native Africans in the colony were paramount above all others. You might also want to note that at the outset of the colony close to 0 (a few hundred) students were enrolled in school. At the end of the Colony of Kenya (1963); 850,000 students were enrolled in primary level education. This was quite an accomplishment in just 43 years (with the 'minor' interruption of a World War). The figures would seem to suggest that the colonial administration (and church groups) did a sterling job with regards to education and the question of whether standards have fallen (or risen) since then is a debate that the Kenyan Government might want to engage in! 2001:8003:70F5:2400:2C40:CDAD:EE42:4D32 (talk) 23:22, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Do you have any improvements to the article that you wish to discuss? Wikipedia is not a forum to discuss the merits or otherwise of colonial policy in Kenya. MediaKill13 (talk) 11:49, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Well, apply that standard: "In the early days of the colonial era in Kenya, the colonialists believed that Africans should not be allowed an education beyond the basic level as they would not benefit from any higher education. The rationale was that Africans were only useful as a source of cheap labour." This is a colonial-era trope that is not born out by British Government policy in Kenya (or indeed, the Protectorate that preceded it). It either by your standard needs removing or, at the very least needs a citation if in fact you do indeed allow commentary on colonial policy.

2001:8003:70F5:2400:BDA0:5022:CBD:2B0C (talk) 15:26, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

The claim was cited to that Business Daily Africa article cited at the end of the section. Nevertheless, I've added another inline citation at the end of the contested sentence to point people to the source. MediaKill13 (talk) 07:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks MediaKill13 ... the opinionated ramblings of an individual journalist (who himself provides zero evidence) would not normally be regarded as a reliable source. But hey, ... this is Wikipedia! He gives zero regard for the fact that the Devonshire White Paper (which guided colonial policy in Kenya) stated unambiguously that the interests of the native populations in the colony took precedence above all else. Slavery was abolished by the preceding Protectorate and forced labour never occurred in Kenya (which is probably the reason why so many Asian migrants came and why so many early business ventures by European settlers failed). The much hated Hut Tax (which was to form the basis of internal revenue and probably contributed to the development of Alliance High School) was never collected if it placed undue burden on the individual. The British East African Protectorate was run at a loss to the British Taxpayer. The Kenyan Colony established a modicum of self-reliance but it's development was increasingly funded both prior to independence and post independence by British Tax-payers (and thereafter by contributions from other entities). The fact that so many lazy journalists in Kenya adopt the quasi Pan-African ramblings of UK and US academics/polemics is understandable in this day and age but not, conducive to improving the knowledge-base of Kenyans. 2001:8003:70F5:2400:6967:97FE:9902:8795 (talk) 23:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

None of your own claims have cited any reliable sources, and as the person who substantially wrote the Devonshire White Paper article, I happen to know that they're either false or misleading. Before you accuse other sources of being "quasi Pan-African ramblings of UK and US academics/polemics" written by "lazy journalists in Kenya" I suggest you find reliable sources of your own. MediaKill13 (talk) 09:36, 1 September 2022 (UTC)