Talk:Allison Iraheta

Questions

-So, apparently wikipedia editors don't want me uploading my custom photos of Allison, nor do you guys want me stating what her voice has been compared to so that people are simply left with "american singer"? Is this not a public encyclopedia? If they're worried about Fox's copywright of any image of Allison, they should know that their episodes are shared thousands of times over on bit torents.
-Does she have Japanese ancestry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.162.221 (talk) 07:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Can we please get a picture of her? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.34.179 (talk) 01:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Quinceanera

Can anyone find the performances she did in Quinceanera?

Yes, youtube anyone?--23prootie (talk) 15:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Performance Order #.

Please do not remove this. I integrated this into the charts very successfully last season. (This applies to all of the Top 12 contenders.) It is factual information, in that it is an indisputable order in which the contestant performed on that particular night. And it is relevant to anyone doing a review or synopsis of the show who wants to analyze statistics and such. (Notice how all 3 who performed last on their respective nights made the Top 12.) It is an especially good record one they all perform on the same night. Thank you.--Cinemaniac86^Oy_gevalt. 00:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm Wondering...

is it really necessary to put all those judges comments on the page? i feel like like they should be put on her fan page not her wikipedia page. 76.197.57.235 (talk) 00:49, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

User: Yolgnu and I came up with a satisfactory solution, in my opinion. We should only mention the notable performances/comments, particularly the ones which allude to Iraheta's talent. There's no need to discuss EVERY performance, as some are "just there", if you catch my drift, and thus make the section excessive and garrulous. A prime example of what not to include would be Allison's funky hair/dress on Top 9 night =P.--Cinemaniac86^Oy_gevalt. 04:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Is this note necessary?

The following note has been added for Allison's Top 7B results column: "That Bottom group was really a Bottom 2 since before she and Anoop Desai were announced to be in the group, Lil Rounds was eliminated." I understand what they mean, but that doesn't make it a "bottom 2" because Lil and Anoop WERE the bottom 2, plain and simple. Allison was 3rd from last, even if they did send Lil home before announcing between Allison and Anoop who was going, that doesn't change the voting rank any. MarkMc1990 (talk) 02:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

A pic would be nice

The other contestants now have pics. If anyone can find one for Allison, that'd be great.--Yolgnu (talk) 10:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

"Safe" vs. "Top 2"

There seems to be an edit war going on concerning Allison's rank for Top 5 week, with it being changed between "Safe" and "Top 2". Personally, I think we should just stick with "Safe" because A) Its a good idea to remain consistent, B) Listing "Top 2" for this week makes it seem like she WASNT in the top 2 any other weeks (and we dont know that), and C) The show didn't really make a big deal about her and Adam being the "top 2", just that they were "safe" and not in the bottom 3 (and yes I know they are the same thing in this case but you get what I mean). What do you think? MarkMc1990 (talk) 01:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

• There's no question that you're right. There's no precedent for putting "Top 2" and those who keep trying to insert it should probably be warned and then blocked if they refuse to stop. Unitanode 01:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

In view of the controversy/edit war about this, I think a decent compromise would be to have "Safe" but include the note "Kris Allen, Adam Lambert and Matt Giraud were announced as the Bottom 3, while Iraheta and Danny Gokey were declared safe." Better a note than an edit war, right?--Yolgnu (talk) 23:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think its necessary. The note appears redundant and it doesn't further clarify anything IMO. All the note basically does is tell us who was and wasn't in the bottom 3 that week which is not necessary or relevent exlusively to Allison. If we were to do that for this week, then why not have that note any other week where she wasn't in the bottom 3? MarkMc1990 (talk) 23:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Sourcing of the label

It was removed as "unreliable source." Are we directly calling WAKS's news department unreliable, or are we questioning it because they're the only source reporting it? —C.Fred (talk) 16:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

A one-sentence caption under a photo in a gallery on a radio station's web page is not enough to be a reliable source. No other information being provided, such as who originally told them, who reported it or who confirmed it make it difficult to believe. This just confirms in my opinion that the radio station website is an non-reliable source. Aspects (talk)

I have removed the Jive contract information again. This time there are three sources provided. The first being the KIIS website photo caption that has been discussed as being a non-reliable source, the second, syracuse.com, is based on a blog based on the KIIS website making it a non-reliable source and the third, Rolling Stone, does not even discuss Allison Iraheta so it does not need to be in the article. Aspects (talk) 14:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

"Safe" Vs. "Top 2" Get it straight!

This edit war seems to still be going on. I just think that "Safe" is the most reliable one to keep on the article. Since "Top 2" makes it sound as if she were in the "Bottom 2". Believe me,people will get confused and have this as the idea of Allison. It has happened already. Also,a picture of Iraheta would also be nice,since other Season 8 contestants of American Idol already have a picture. So please. Whoever it is,stop changing it to "Top 2". Allison was safe that week period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.133.6.56 (talk) 09:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Nationality/ethinicity/ethnic group

Since there is a dispute with the opening sentence of the article, I am starting a discussion here. Per WP:MOSBIO nationality not ethinicity should be given. Iraheta's nationality is American. Salvadoran American is an ethnic group not her nationality. As such and per WP:BRD I am going to put back the American link in the sentence with a reference back to this discussion. Aspects (talk) 20:34, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Occupation

Per the template directions, the occupation field in {{Infobox musical artist}} is for roles the subject has fulfilled related to music (singer, producer, etc.) and notable occupations outside of music (e.g., actor). How is it notable now that Iraheta is a student? Practically all singers below 18 are. How will it affect the reader in 10 years that she was a student during her career? —C.Fred (talk) 03:37, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Album sales

The album sales cited in the article at the moment - 90,000, ignore digital album sales. Please see here: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2010/03/kris-allen-allison-iraheta-see-post-idol-album-bump/1 Someone commented that the 106,000 number is double counting digital sales (90k+16k in digital) but that is not the case. My edit has been reverted twice already -- why is that? --BignBad (talk) 22:31, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Quoting the first line of the table, "Carrie Underwood, Play On (18,000, -15 percent, 1.358 million total/2,000 digital, -8 percent, 155,000 digital total)". The first set is captioned total, not physical total. What source do you have that shows that this is not a grand total but a subtotal of physical copies? —C.Fred (talk) 23:51, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Education

I went to school with Allison, and I know her and all, but the she doesn't attend this school anymore. She gets home schooled now, she's been like that ever since she went to American Idol --64.38.75.167 (talk) 05:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Alone song credit

A Canadian IP (99.192.68.133) has changed the artist credit for Alone (Heart song) from Heart to "I-Ten". I reverted the change, then he reverted me, so I'm bringing it here. I think the artist that should be listed is the artist that made the song famous and/or the artist who was actually credited as the original artist on the show, which of course is Heart. So, even though the IP is correct that I-Ten did write the song and performed it first, I doubt that Allison thought that she was covering an I-Ten song when she performed it. I would like to see what the consensus here is as to what the artist credit should be.

Three other Idol articles on contestants who sang this song all originally credited Heart before two other Canadian IPs (99.192.86.108 and 142.68.46.126) changed them to "I-Ten" [1] [2] [3]. The most recent Idol page to mention the song also originally credited Heart but was then changed to I-Ten. [4] All other similar pages that mention the song, and credit the original artist, credit Heart [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] Robman94 (talk) 15:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that may be the issue: when she performed it, whose song was it introduced as? Has this issue come up on the Idol shows before, and if so, how is this handled otherwise, to maintain consistently? —C.Fred (talk) 15:51, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

A similar discussion has come up on the Season 10 talk page so I've added the question there too. I'm going through the other talk pages as we speak. OK, there is some discussion on the Season 9 and Season 6 talk pages. Robman94 (talk) 16:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, I'm interested that the fact that I am Canadian seems to be relevant to Robman94. Perhaps he would like to explain why? Are edits by Canadians somehow less credible? If not, then why mention where I am from?

Secondly, Robman94 wrote: "All other similar pages that mention the song, and credit the original artist, credit Heart." That's just not true. None of the pages he links to says that Heart was the "original" artist. The only pages that make claims about who the "original" artist is name i-TEN. That includes the actual page for the song "Alone".

Thirdly, there has been a consensus at the Idol articles generally to list the original artist when mentioning songs performed. "Original" means "first". There is no doubt that i-TEN is the original artist. Heart's version of the song was clearly the most famous, but listing the most famous artist to perform a song has been rejected on all other Idol articles because it can be too subjective and controversial. (Who is more famous: Dolly Parton or Whitney Houston? Which, then, should be named for "I Will Always Love You"?) Also, listing the artist named on the show has been rejected because often no artist at all is named.

If you look at the talk pages for Idol articles, you will see that the issue has been well discussed over and over. The folks who edit "X Factor" articles have decided to remove all artist credits deciding that the names of artists who previously recorded songs are not important information (except when it is the theme, and then listing the theme before the table takes care of that). Idol editors have decided to go with "original" artists. That is the header you see on the tables on the ten years of American Idol articles.

It is also worth noting that "Papa Was a Rollin' Stone" was more famously done by The Temptations, yet The Undisputed Truth is listed because they are the original artist. "Cry Baby" was more famously done by Janis Joplin, but Garnet Mimms is listed as he is the original artist. "Someone to Watch Over Me" was more famously done by a lot of people including Frank Sinatra (and was performed on "Rat Pack" week), but Gertrude Lawrence is listed because she is the original artist. None of these listings has been objected to here. All of them are also the credits given on the American Idol (season 8) page, just as i-TEN is listed there as the original artist for "Alone". 99.192.68.133 (talk) 16:27, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

There's no need for any attitude here, after all I didn't re-revert you once you stated why you made the change, which you didn't do the first time [11]. I mentioned the locations of the 3 IPs that had been making the change because it's possible that all the changes are being made by the same person. It's hard to tell when people don't create accounts for themselves and forgive me, but you do appear to be an WP:SPA.

Regarding the pages that I stated mention Heart, I provided refs, but if you need quotes:

• "..released a new single, "Alone", a cover of the Heart song" [12]
• Top 6 Classic Rock Week "Alone" Heart Safe [13]
• 5. "Alone" (Heart) [14]
• "a bonus b-side track called "Alone" which is a cover of the song by popular 80s band Heart" [15]
• Bottom Three Performance: "Alone" (Heart) [16]
• "Alone" Heart [17]

As to who I would list for "I Will Always Love You", Whitney without question. I'm guessing that most of the kids who have covered this song for Idol have never even heard of Dolly Parton, much less considered themselves covering her song. I can guarantee you that none of the Idol contestant that have covered "Alone" have ever heard of I-Ten and I'm betting that if we go back and watch the footage, we'll hear Ryan Seacrest or the contestant state that they are covering Heart.

I did look at the previous Idol talk pages and only found it discussed 3 times, and I provided links for those, where are your links to the numerous times you say that it's been mentioned?

It's true that the other Idol pages do indeed list I-Ten as the artist now, but they all previously listed it as Heart before an IP (you?) came along and changed them. Robman94 (talk) 17:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Let's just keep this as simple as possible. There are really only six options when it comes to listing credits beside songs performed. They are:

• 1. Name the original artist. This has been the convention for American Idol articles. The 10 articles for the 10 years of American Idol almost always have "original artist" as a column header in the tables. PROS - It is an objective, indisputable fact who the original (i.e.; "first") artist to record a song is, so there should be no question who to name. CONS - Sometimes the original artist is rather obscure and so naming that one seems rather irrelevant.
• 2. Name no artist. This is what is done for all X Factor articles. PROS - It eliminates needless debate about who to name. Also, the names of past artists performing the song is extraneous information. Contestants sing songs, which are not only named but links are given to song articles that tell people all about artists who have performed the song before, so naming an artist is unnecessary. CONS - People generally like the idea of crediting someone, even if they disagree whom to credit. Since all songs performed are covers, it seems natural to mention some song history.
• 3. Name the most famous artist to have performed the song. PROS - It is a fairly common practice to do this when talking about songs. CONS - It is inherently subjective and can be hopelessly controversial resulting in unnecessary edit wars and ongoing disagreement. Sometimes there just is no clear most famous version of a song.
• 4. Name the artist who was named on the show. PROS - If the article is about the show, then who was named on the show would seem to be more obviously relevant. Also, it is an objective matter who is named, so it should be uncontroversial who to name. CONS - Sometimes no artist is named, so a lot of performances would have to have a blank for this. Also, the articles have not to this point been tracking what artist was named, so to make this change would require someone re-watching every show for the last ten years to note down which artist was named. That seems an awful lot of work.
• 5. Name the songwriter. PROS - If credit is to be given, at least this credits the person whose work was performed. Also, it is an objective fact, so easy to determine who to name. CONS - Except when songwriters are the theme of the week, people generally don't care who wrote a song. Also, it would be a fair bit of work to change all the articles to now list writers, although not nearly as much as the change for artists named on the show.
• 6. Name the arranger of the song. PROS - With some performances (like David Cook's performance of "Billie Jean") the name of the song arranger seems to be relevant information. CONS - Most of the time the name of the arranger for a version performed on Idol is unknown and most times it is not particularly relevant, so using this method causes more confusion than it fixes.

There are the choices. Consistency among Idol articles dictates that one choice should be made for all the Idol articles. Right now that is #1 on the list above. None of the other options is used on any Idol pages right now, although #2 is the option of choice for the X Factor pages. Anyone wanting to change the convention of option #1 should seek a consensus on the talk pages for the main Idol articles. If having Heart named on this page really matters, then you need to be ready to make a case for #3 or #4 (and deal with the CONS of each option).

Personally, I prefer option #2. My second choice would be option #5. Otherwise, I don't care which is chosen so long as it is consistently adhered to and properly indicated in the article that it is the convention being used. 99.192.68.133 (talk) 18:33, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Sourcing Twitter Posts

The new info that has been added about Halo Circus originates from Twitter posts by Iraheta which have now been tagged as WP:Citation needed. How can you cite a tweat when Twitter is not allowed as a reference? Robman94 (talk) 15:59, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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