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Sometimes a shrub[edit]

@Zerf in the Levant the plant never exceeds 4 meters and only grows as a shrub. דולב חולב (talk) 00:39, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The almond (Prunus amygdalus) is a species of tree in the family Rosaceae, the roses. It prospers in a moderate Mediterranean climate with cool winter weather, and is native to Iran and surrounding countries, although it is rarely now found wild in its original setting. The fruit of the almond is a drupe, consisting of an outer hull and a hard shell with the seed; botanically, it is not considered a true nut. It is used extensively as a culinary nut, however, and is cultivated worldwide. Around 80% of the world's almond supply is produced in the US state of California. This photograph shows an almond drupe in shell, shell cracked open, unshelled and blanched seed.

Photograph credit: Ivar Leidus

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Iran-focused editing[edit]

This edit and several others made today use an Iran-based source ("Iranica Online") and interpretations which are not supported by WP:SCIRS sources for the origin and distribution of almond.

Encyclopedia Britannica establishes the broad region of southwestern Asia (not specifically mentioning Iran) as the origin region of almond, a conclusion supported by the Ladizinsky review. There is no source-supported reason to attribute almond's origin or present-day distribution to Iran, which is not among the top five countries in 2022 almond production (production section and table).

The Iranica Online site does not impress as an objective, reliable source for the almond article. Iranica Online lays claims to almond origin and current distribution in Iran, while the peer-reviewed Ladizinsky article shows a wider origin and distribution not specific to Iran or any one country.

Further, Iran appears to be 7th in world production of almonds, according to the FAOSTAT source for the production section.

Please discuss issues here with other editors without continuous edit warring for your point of view based on the Iranica Online website. Zefr (talk) 17:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zefr: Disagreed, Encyclopedia Iranica is a high quality (tertiary) source, it is written by prominent experts of any topic that is dealt with in it. Besides, replacing Iranica with Britannica, a low quality source was all but a good idea. Also, I think that the warnings on the talk page of IP are, for many of them, irrelevant, as their edits were made in good faith and, ultimately, they are right when they mention Iran as a center of origin of almonds. I humbly suggest you consider removing them, as per WP:BITE. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any consensus on Wikipedia or published evidence that Iranica Online is high-quality or superior as a source compared to Encyclopedia Britannica, which is widely used as a general source across Wikipedia. The Doug Weller criticism is from one person in a discussion 7 years ago that Britannica is unreliable, whereas a review of the many discussions about Britannica at WP:RSN shows plentiful defense and favor of using it as a source that should be fine for general statements like "almonds are native to southwestern Asia"; this wide regional origin is practical and is also what the Ladizinsky source states.

The Iranica article clearly is an Iran-centric view, stating that "Prunus amygdalus is undoubtedly native to the Iranian land-mass", which could be claimed by any country in southwestern Asia. There is nothing in peer-reviewed literature that states "Iran is a center of origin of almonds."

Concerning the incoherent message by the IP user below, a talk page is for discussing an improvement to the article with support by a WP:RS reference, WP:TALK. It is not a place for airing out opinions, WP:NOTFORUM. Zefr (talk) 23:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that you are mistaken by the name of Encyclopedia Iranica. Besides, the doubts about Britannica raised by Doug Weller are shared by many editors here, including me and others and his concerns still stand i.e. Britannica articles are often written by one person and "fact checked" by Britannica editors, which means that Britannica is not as strong as you seem to believe.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear user It seems better that Correct it because you didn't read correctly. Iranika did not say what the plant's distribution is like today, he said about the origin of the plant, while your source examines today's trade, Iranika mentions the historical origin.

Your words are very irrelevant,for example, "If we trade bananas in another country today and we are the first rank, while India does not have a trade rank with the origin of bananas, then we can say that bananas aren't for India." It is not because today it does not have a rank in business or does not do business at all?!"" This is a historical discussion, not business.

it seems that you are not looking at the sources correctly, or you seem to think that it is clearly mentioned several times in this reliable site that it is of historical origin in Iran, while the wild nature of this plant is rarely found in Iran or elsewhere today. It seems that you are clearly trying to remove the name of Iran from the article because you are deleting the reliable sources, you are deleting the content, you said that you do not accept the source, we put a very reliable and clear source, but you still deleted the sources and even wrote Iran-focused here. In addition, what is clear is that today's commercial production of the country has nothing to do with the historical origin of the plant .It should be noted, you said almonds Wikipedia does not support Iranica. A page on wikipedia doesn't support anything, it's wikipedia that supports it or not, Iranica is one of the most reliable References, it's better, it's very biased.2A02:4540:61:28A9:FAE5:6B08:39B2:33A6 (talk) 20:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]