Talk:Amnesiac (album)/GA2

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: MusikAnimal (talk · contribs) 02:28, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

3+ months is long enough! I will take on this review. Admittedly I may be terribly slow with it... please allow up to 10 days. I may make changes along the way and post updates here. Feel free to address any concerns as they arise. Cheers — MusikAnimal ^talk 02:28, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This list will be updated as the review progresses. See below for details of any concerns. Thanks for your patience!

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Has an appropriate reference section:

B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

Concerns

Y Skimming though the article, I'm a little concerned about WP:QUOTEFARM. Quotes are helpful to understand the viewpoint of artist, but I feel two or more per paragraph may take away from the concept of prose. Thoughts? — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:27, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I can see in the Background and recording and especially the Music and lyrics sections that the quotes are abundant. I'll see if I can shorten it so that there's both important info and is told through short sentences without the need of quotes. DepressedPer (talk) 04:15, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed a few more of the quotes. Popcornduff (talk) 18:26, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think we're mostly okay with the quotes. The remaining ones seem relevant and read nicely. However to me it's not very clear what Ed is trying to say in Background and recording, "The tendency with a double album is...". Is it that if they had done a double album, they would have omitted some tracks that instead became Amnesiac? Perhaps this one is better put it in our own words.
Done.Popcornduff (talk) 10:56, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Y I've found the SPIN review in Google Books but I'm finding it difficult to cite it without making it awkward when viewers click on the link. DepressedPer (talk) 03:00, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if I know what you mean. Does the footnote itself look off? I recommend Apoc2400's Google Books citation tool. — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:28, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I got it fixed. Thanks for the citation tool. DepressedPer (talk) 18:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Y The Commercial performance section is rather short. Maybe we could merge it in the with Reception section? — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:41, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea, done. Popcornduff (talk) 10:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
From Kid A#Marketing and release it looks like there was a tour associated with the two albums. MOS:ALBUM suggests a tour section between the artwork/packaging and reception sections, but we may not have enough content to warrant that. Instead, maybe we could make note of it in the background section. — MusikAnimal ^talk 05:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the Amnesiac and Kid A tours were separate, but I can't find any sources to back that up... Popcornduff (talk) 18:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've found a few sources that may be of help: ABC News, Rolling Stone, LA Times. If we can gather enough information, I think a dedicated section for the tour is preferred. Otherwise we need to at least make mention of the tour, and the Background section seems the most fitting. — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:25, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A few more sources: idobi.com, Chicago Tribune. From this I can't gather when the end tour ended, but maybe there's some more relevant information in there. If after repeated attempts we are unable to verify when the end of the tour is, it's ok by me to omit it. That being said, I'm going to look over the article again in full. I think it is very close to passing :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:07, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Y In the Music and lyrics section "The ninth track, "Hunting Bears"" is unsourced. Picky, I know, and hopefully not a WP:BLUE-like request, but obviously we prefer everything to be verifiable. I tried to find a source describing the song to no avail :( — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:33, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I searched around but can't find anything we can use either. I have to confess I find describing songs and music in Wikipedia extremely difficult for this reason. For example, Pyramid Song is a piano ballad, plain and simple, and that's a really useful and clear piece of information to put in the article, but it requires finding some critic or something to have used the same description. What a pain in the ass! Popcornduff (talk) 18:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it's pretty frustrating. I stroke luck and found this Google Book that covered "Hunting Bears" in detail. Not sure if we were aware of this book already, but it seems to offer copious amounts of information on this album. Feel free to expand on the article with this newfound resource, but as far as the review is concerned I think we've covered the major aspects (3A), with exception of the tour (see above). — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:52, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Y Any opposition toward using the {{album chart}} template in the Charts section? I'm happy to do this if no one else is up for it. — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:30, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and done this. — MusikAnimal ^talk 02:24, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Y I noticed the lead makes mention that the lyrics and artwork "explore themes of memory and reincarnation". I don't see anything about memory or reincarnation in the body of the article. Are there particular songs that fit this description? Do we have a source to support this? — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Really? In the current article is this quote from Thom Yorke: "I read that the gnostics believe when we are born we are forced to forget where we have come from in order to deal with the trauma of arriving in this life. I thought this was really fascinating. It's like the river of forgetfulness." Also Pyramid Song being inspired by "ideas of cyclical time discussed by Stephen Hawkins and Buddhism." Also Morning Bell/Amnesiac "sounds like a recurring dream." And the artwork: "We wanted it to be a like a book. And someone made these pages in a book and it went into drawer in a desk and was forgotten about in the attic. And the attic was then forgotten." Popcornduff (talk) 09:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't think all that supports the claim then just delete it from the lead, it's not critical. Popcornduff (talk) 09:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. Makes perfect sense... — MusikAnimal ^talk 14:55, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Y The Donwood quotes in the Art and packaging don't appear to be in the linked source. Looks like the source is the third page of the interview, and the quotes we want are probably within the other two, but Wayback Machine doesn't have a record of them :( I'm not sure what to do here, as these are direct quotes so it is fairly important to have a verifiable source. When I searched for the quote I got only other wiki's and blogs... Is there a print copy of this interview somewhere? Or maybe other internet archiving services have records of the first two pages of the interview. — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:24, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After much digging around, I found it archived. This is now fixed. (Man, this is much tougher than any other GA I've gone through...) Popcornduff (talk) 16:53, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I am admittedly pretty strict, but per WP:MINREF the quotes must be attributed to a reliable source, GA or not. Worry not, we're about done here. Just want to do another run through. Thanks again for your patience! — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:28, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Y @DepressedPer: @Popcornduff: I apologize for the lengthy review. All issues appear to have been addressed, and I hereby pass this good article nomination. Congratulations! — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I appreciate your thoroughness. I wrote most of the current article myself a couple of years ago, so it's nice to finally see it become GA.

Now, if you're feeling brave, have a look at the Hail to the Thief page... can we get that to FA? ;) Popcornduff (talk) 10:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if I am the right person to ask... I have slim to no experience reviewing FA's. I recommend submitting for a peer review. Going to close this review as we're all done here :) Best of luck on future endeavours! — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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