Talk:Amy Pond

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the actress cast as Amy Pond, a companion character to the Eleventh Doctor on Doctor Who, had previously portrayed a soothsayer on an episode involving the Tenth Doctor?

"Real" Name[edit]

Amy Pond is a fictional character. Fictional characters don't have "real" names--they have names that they're known by, such as "Amy Pond" or "Amelia Pond". Any fictional biography should be written in the article body in real-world terms (i.e. in such-and-such episode her full name is revealed as such-and-such). See WP:WAF. DonQuixote (talk) 21:01, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Important parts from WP:WAF:
An in-universe perspective describes the narrative from the perspective of characters within the fictional universe, treating it as if it were real and ignoring real-world context and sourced analysis. The threshold of what constitutes in-universe writing is making any effort to re-create or uphold the illusion of the original fiction by omitting real-world info.
Many fan wikis and fan websites (see below) take this approach, but it should not be used for Wikipedia articles. An in-universe perspective can be misleading, inviting unverifiable original research. Most importantly, in-universe perspective defies community consensus as to what we do not want Wikipedia to be or become.
Features often seen in an inappropriate, in-universe perspective include:
  • Fictography – an article or section about a fictional character written like a biography, placing, for example, undue emphasis on titles or birthdates despite their being unimportant to the plot or interpretation. For example, instead of writing: "Gandalf was a powerful wizard" write: "Gandalf is characterised by Tolkien as a powerful wizard".
Her name being mentioned as "Jessica" in one screen-grab is unimportant to an encyclopaedia article. DonQuixote (talk) 20:52, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WAF makes no mention of character naming. Per S5E2, her fictionally real name is "Amelia Jessica Pond". In S5E1, it is explained that she likes to call herself and be called "Amy". Saying Amelia Jessica "Amy" Pond is not "real person treatment". And either way, why is 'Jessica' not included anyways? "Amelia" also is just mentioned in two episodes, is it not relevant either? Nonsense! And if you really want to omit the nickname thing at least make it Amelia Jessica Pond, better known as Amy Pond,. The current format is unacceptable. 89.15.239.240 (talk) 20:58, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Mentioning that one screen-grab mentions her name is Jessica is placing undue emphasis on something that is unimportant to the plot or interpretation. DonQuixote (talk) 21:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That reply answeres 0 of my questions, and only concludes one aspect with your interpretation. Note how Krusty the Clown's article spells put every single one pf his names, although none of them is frequently mentioned in the series. 84.63.144.36 (talk) 20:08, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Other stuff exists is a weak argument. Aside from that, one screen-grab is not noteworthy enough for an encyclopaedia article about a fictional character. Giving it more attention than it deserves is placing undue emphasis on something that is unimportant to the plot or interpretation. If you can't understand that, then I don't know what else to tell you other than read up on the subject. DonQuixote (talk) 20:18, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
DonQuixote, Not sure about your "screen grab" description. Her name is spoken aloud as being "Amelia Jessica Pond," not just shown on screen (and when it is shown, it isn't in an hidden easter egg type of way, but prominently written so that it is very clear to the viewer). Her middle name should be included at least once in the article (opening line of the lede being a rather appropriate location). — al-Shimoni (talk) 21:47, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Citing the episode might help others verify that. Also, since it's not a defining characteristic, the appropriate place is in the article body and not the lede. DonQuixote (talk) 23:32, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
DonQuixote, That would be s05-e02 titles, "The Beast Below" (the second episode with Amelia Pond). When she is in the voting cubicle before being informed about the situation of the ship. The voice in the cubicle (around 14min 57sec mark) says aloud, "A presentation concerning the history of Starship UK will begin shortly. Your identity is being verified on our electoral rolls. Name, Amelia Jessica Pond." (At this point, an insert shot is shown of a 4:3 monitor with the title "Result" then "Name:" followed by "Amelia Jessica Pond" with the name in large enough letters to cause the name to wrap lines after Jessica.)
As for placement in the lede, full names are often given in the first line of the lede (usually set in bold). For example, the article on Winston Churchill opens the lede with "Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill". This is in compliance with Wikipedia guideline (MOS:FULLNAME) on how the full known name, including all titles, should be given in the opening sentence of the lede. — al-Shimoni (talk) 10:55, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for catching that. However, MOS:FULLNAME is for real people and not fictional characters. See Jackie Tyler for how revelations in narratives for fictional characters are handled (or even arguably River Song (Doctor Who)). DonQuixote (talk) 12:16, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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