Talk:Ana Lucrecia Taglioretti/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Amitchell125 (talk · contribs) 08:13, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Happy to review the article.

Review

Lead section / infobox

• List violinist (to either Violin or perhaps List of female violinists).
• The lead is not a good summary of the main text – see MOS:LEAD for further information on how to improve the lead section, which states “The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies.”

The lead is still not large enough. I suggest a few of the main points from each sections (Early life and education / Career / Personal life / Death) are added to what there is already. Amitchell125 (talk) 18:21, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

 Comment: Lead expanded. I'll watch out for any possible mistakes to fix. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

1 Early life and education

• Link curriculum; psychological development (Developmental psychology); adopted (Adoption); blindness (Visual impairment).
• born on Christmas Day 1995, three months premature and underweight – amend to ‘born on 25 December 1995, three months premature’, as for some readers’ Christmas Day is not on 25 December, and all premature babies are underweight.
• Amend six years old to ‘six’.
• Mention Luque (Paraguay) as the home of the Coro del Sanatorio Internacional de Luque.
• Coro del Sanatorio Internacional de Luque should not be in italics.
• Amend Her first adoption did not last long, as she was abandoned to ‘She was abandoned again’, to reduce the amount of redundant text.
• Unlink National Music Conservatory (it links to a place in Jordan).

More comments to follow. Amitchell125 (talk) 12:10, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

2 Career

• I’m unclear what her conservatory years means.

possibly amend this phrase to improve the prose, e.g. to 'her period as a student at the National Music Conservatory'? Amitchell125 (talk) 06:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

• Sonido Urbano should not be in italics.
• which organized the opening seems to be incorrectly written. Should it read ‘which opened’?
• A date is required for the Harp Twins concert.

not yet done.

 Comment: I have found and added a reference to the article the mentions Taglioretti, the date should be October 2014. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• Delete (CCPA), as the organisation is not referred to again in the article.
• Un violín a favor de los derechos humanos (A violin for human rights) should be written ‘A Violin for Human Rights {{lang|sp|Un violín a favor de los derechos humanos|italic=no}}'. This template needs to be used throughout the article where there is Spanish text.

not yet done.

 Comment: I believe this should be done, along with "Coro del Sanatorio Internacional de Luque", "Sonidos de la Tierra" and "Sonido Urbano". --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• awarded the Young Leader of the Year Award – who awarded her this?

N not yet done.

• Taglioretti had been part of the National Symphonic Orchestra of Paraguay since April 2014 sounds better written as ‘Taglioretti joined the National Symphonic Orchestra of Paraguay in April 2014’.
• Amend Teletón Paraguay telethons to '{{Ill|Teletón Paraguay|sp}}.
• The second sentences in both paragraphs 2 and 3 are too long and should be split into at least two separate sentences.
• Amend the 13 October 2013 concert to something like ‘his concert in October 2013’, to improve the prose.
• Who is Grupo 5?

not yet done.

• Copy edit Taglioretti had also participated in several musical festivals both national and international to read ‘Taglioretti participated in both national and international musical festivals’.
• I would put collecting clothes and non-perishable food items among other aid into a separate sentence, written as something like ‘They collected clothes and non-perishable food items for the victims’.

not yet done.

 Comment: Text changed to proposed wording. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

3 Personal life

• The text in this section reflects what was reported by Abc News, but it doesn’t appear to be from a neutral point of view. Are the views of her mother known? Is the news agency reliable? See WP:NEUTRAL for where I am coming from. Because the text seems to be presenting assertions as facts, I think it should not be included in the article unless it can be written in a strictly neutral way (for instance by not including words like ‘’victim’’, abuse/abused’’, ‘’repeatedly’’), and any allegations that were not substantiated are removed.
• The second sentence belongs in the next section.

 Comment: If I'm not mistaking the sentence in question, I believe this should be done. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

4 Death

• Link autopsy.
• Her body was taken to the police morgue so forensic medics would determine her cause of death is not notable and should be deleted.

not yet done.

 Comment: Deleted. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• Taglioretti was found dead on the afternoon of 9 January 2020 in the apartment where she lived is a complete sentence. I would remove when her mother came to visit. The following sentence would be 'After her mother received no answer when she rang the doorbell, she called a locksmith.'.

not yet done.

 Comment: Removed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• Her place was found orderly and without any signs of, for example, a fight is not needed as you mention the finding that her death was by natural causes.
• It is estimated that her body was found around 48 hours after her death – this information is better put into the first paragraph.
• it is possible that – did the autopsy report say this, or is this your opinion? (if the latter, the text needs to be deleted).
• her family had a history of heart conditions – as she was an adopted child, how is this known?

not yet done.

Last comments to follow. AM

6 References

• Ref 5 (Ñandutí) is not found.
• Add ‘(in Spanish)’ to all the references (ref 7 (www.abc.com.py) is already done).
• All the dates need to be written in a consistent way, e.g. 12 January 2020.
• Ref 1 (ABC Color) can’t have capitals, change to title case. (‘Historias de…’)

not yet done. Amitchell125 (talk) 07:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

 Comment: Changed to lower caps. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• The name of www.abc.com.py’s organisation – abc - should be shown in the reference, not the website url.

On hold

I'm putting the article on hold for 2 weeks until 8 May to allow time for the above comments to be addressed. I'm taking a small wikibreak from Monday, but will be back after a week. Amitchell125 (talk) 10:08, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@Amitchell125: Hi! First off, thank you very much for your help with the review :) I have applied most of the changes. There are few remaining and I wanted to make some comments and clarifications, but I wanted to inform of said changes first, including the links, italics and reference fixes. Best regards! --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:09, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@NoonIcarus: thanks for the work done so far, I've crossed out what has been addressed, and highlighted where I can see there are imo still issues that need to be sorted. Please comment after each issue when you think it is ready to be crossed out. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 11:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Amitchell125: Hi again! Many thanks for striking down the solved issues, it helped me to see better the ones remaining. I have been abe to finally bring myself to continue working on the article. There were a couple of comments I was meaning to make:

• Conservatory in Spanish is essentially a musical academy (wiktionary:conservatorio). I'm not sure about how much the difference in meaning in English is, but if needed the word could be changed just to "musical academy" or, as you suggested, the original name "National Music Conservatory".

Understood. I think readers will understand the text as it stands. Amitchell125 (talk) 05:11, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

• According to this source, the Young Leader of the Year Award is given by "el fondo de líderes del paraguay y la universidad americana" (which roughly translates as the Paraguay Leaders Fund and the American University). I could add the reference to the article, but I'm wary that it is a primary one.

You're right to be wary, but if the source if simply confirming an uncontroversial fact, it can be used to cite the text. Amitchell125 (talk) 05:13, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

• Grupo 5 is apparently a Peruvian musical group, but it is not stated in the source. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an article in English to link the group to either.

I've amended the sentence for you without adding a citation, as I don't think one is needed. Amitchell125 (talk) 05:24, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

• From what I've seen, ABC is a major outlet in Paraguay and a reliable one, being one that reported extensively about Lucrecia's life and death. I haven't found the mother's position (except for the position that Lucrecia was being "grounded"), but more interestingly another article states that an investigation about the situation was opened and that Taglioretti's custody was transferred to another couple; she would leave with them between when she was 16 years old until she was 20.
• It is a good question if and how her biological family could have remained in contact; while the cited reference does not go into detail about this, it does distinguish and leaves clear that they're talking about her biological family (Desde el entorno allegado a la joven, mencionaron que en la familia natural de Ana Lucrecia existencia antecedentes de enfermedad cardíaca, por lo que no descartan que su deceso se haya dado por muerte súbita (infarto).) (emphasis added). If this is too ambiguious, the sentence could be removed. NoonIcarus (talk) 18:23, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Understood. I'll leave it to you to decide if you want to clarify the text in the article as you have done here. Amitchell125 (talk) 05:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Passing

The article is now at GA level, so I'm passing it. Congratulations NoonIcarus on producing such a readable and interesting article. Amitchell125 (talk) 05:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)