Talk:Ancient Egyptian offering formula

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The text here seems a bit of a mash-up: Offerings which mention more than 1 god begin the offering list section with "di.sn" (they may give), not "di.f" (he may give). There's also no mention of the post-12/13th dynasty "dd.t pt" bit, (which heaven gives, the earth creates, the inundation brings, etc). Hope to rewrite, but a bit too busy to manage a properly reference article at the moment! Can someone else step up? --Cliau 01:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunatly my only source on the Hotp di nesu comes from gardiner. I might be able to get another source from my library within a few days, but I have other projects I'm working on here at the same time. So I can step up, but it'll take a while for me as well. Anyone else? Thanatosimii 04:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This book ^[1] has a detailed section showing each part of the formula with many variations and examples. I have not seen the "post-12/13th dynasty "dd.t pt" bit" mentioned in the book, nor does it make specific mention the "di.sn" part. However, some of the stelae reproduced in the book do show "di.sn" being used (good call, User:Cliau),

I believe that Collier and Manley suggest translating the di=f part as "that he may give a voice offering of...". 87.114.157.66 (talk) 01:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)Nefertum[reply]

though I don't know if it was used absolutely consistently. I'll find some more info and add to the article.Jeff Dahl 18:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now I even see it in the image I just added to the page Jeff Dahl 18:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Collier M; Manley B (1998). How to Read Egyptian Hieroglyphs. London, England: University of California Press. pp. 35–39.

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Possible copyright issue[edit]

Hi, it looks like quite a lot of the text in this article is identical to this page: https://religion.wikia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_offering_formula — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8780:128C:CD18:63F3:ED0A:F7BC (talk) 12:04, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A quick look at the history of both wiki pages shows that the material on the Wikipedia page came first, and the other was copied from here. In fact, the other article even has a disclaimer at the bottom that says as much, so I don’t think there’s any copyright problems here or there. Vorziblix (talk) 14:41, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ḏi or di?[edit]

The word in question is written X8. Within the article I see it's spelled ḏi, whereas in the transliterations it's spelled di. (I myself am only a beginner when it comes to hieroglyphics, but I learned di.) What's going on here? Is this a matter of pronunciation changes going from Old to Middle Egyptian? Or is one of the spellings just wrong? 2601:49:C301:D810:91DA:1E6C:4FB:FFE0 (talk) 23:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@2601:49:C301:D810:91DA:1E6C:4FB:FFE0: According to Allen's Middle Egyptian (page 504 in the third edition, which I have, as opposed to the second, which this article cites), X8 originally represented ḏi when used phonetically, but the standard value is di. So I'm guessing it is a change from Old to Middle Egyptian, though the book doesn't say so explicitly. A. Parrot (talk) 01:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[Collier-1] Collier M; Manley B (1998). How to Read Egyptian Hieroglyphs. London, England: University of California Press. pp. 35–39.

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